8 year old girl speaks the truth! [Archive] - PMS

Kal-El

12-12-2006, 06:36 AM

An 8 year old girl stands up and speaks against Bill O'Riley's(sp?) claim that todays violence is caused by Rap music and video games. I admit I don't like rap music, but I don't think it's causing anymore violence today than before.

Violence is caused by rap and video games? I didn't know Al Queda listened to Snoop Dogg while playing Dead or Alive 4 before going out to kill thousands of people.

Anyways, here's the video: (warning contains some course language) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8x14cLGh5o&NR

Discuss

PS: I know this kind of subject has been covered many many many many times, but it doesn't look like it's going away any time soon.

edx

12-12-2006, 07:18 AM

VeNoM

12-12-2006, 07:41 AM

I didnt watch the video i just read what you posted.

If i actually got into this this psot would be pages long.

But all i have to say is games are rated Teen, Mature, Adult for a reason. If the parents buy their kids these types of games, then its their problem. Teen - Adult know the difference between real life and games, kids sometimes dont!

Kal-El

12-12-2006, 08:00 AM

"official Statement: This Video Features A Talented Young Actress Playing A Fictitious Character. It Is A Commercial For The Band 'the ******* Fairies' And Directed By An Award Winning Documentary Film Making Team"

???

Yeah, but does it make what she's saying any less true?

And apparently Bill O'Rilley found out about the video and was pretty steamed. From what I've learned he got on his show and said this was child abuse in it's worst form. I thought child abuse in it's worst form was molestation or physical/emotional violence. No, child abuse in it's worst form is paying the child to read lines that criticize Bill O'Rilley and his beliefs. This coming from a man that fears "the rise of the machines" like he's in some Terminator movie.

Does being paid to say it make her message false?

Doll PMS

12-12-2006, 08:43 AM

Kal-El

12-12-2006, 09:50 AM

I think you should polish up your accusations about O'Reilly.

I should?

PMS HateMaker

12-12-2006, 10:03 AM

Man, that remark about the worst form of child abuse is funny, and just like O'Reilly. Personally, I think a worse form of child abuse would be reading The O'Reilly Factor For Kids (http://www.amazon.com/OReilly-Factor-Kids-Survival-Families/dp/0060544244).

H2O SkywalkerX

12-12-2006, 10:22 AM

I think it's lame that these adults/grown ups feed these words to an 8 year old and "use" her to try and get their thoughts out to the world.

I think you should polish up your accusations about O'Reilly.

i dont think anyone has to polish up anything. everyone has a different opinion about people. like micheal jackson, some think he's a good person, and some think he is a freak. doesn't mean either is wrong, it's an opinion.

ViXen PMS

12-12-2006, 10:34 AM

Kal-El

12-12-2006, 11:21 AM

I giggled at the video, how could you not?
I then watched the reply by Bill O'Reilly and some other lady.. and they just go to town on saying that its child abuse to make a kid say that stuff.. I really don't know what my opinion is.... here is the link to the reply video..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJjuZg7Mndo&NR

Lol that's the video I was looking for!

"was posted saying vile things" Oh poor Bill got his feelings hurt by an 8 year old.

And it's not JUST child abuse, but it's the worst inhuman thing you can do to a child.

Besides, "Religion has incited hell of a lot more violence than rap music or video games" is she wrong? Honestly? Read your history text books. There's a lot of violence caused by religion even before video games or rap music was even ever a though.

"Religion has caused the genocide of nations, and continues to!" Again, is she wrong? I point your attention to the crusades, the holocaust, and even what's going on at this very moment all over the middle east.

"We've had things for centuries that have done far worse things. Like the KKK or the Nazi's..." Right again. "...or the republican party!" Well i think that was thrown in for a little humor, but then again they've done some bad things. Started a war on a second front under false pretenses when the first war they started wasn't over yet. Lied to their people about the war and a bunch of other things. Spied on their own people. The list can go on and on.

I Find it kinda funny that he never has anyone that doesn't agree with him on his show.

ViXen PMS

12-12-2006, 02:27 PM

Lol that's the video I was looking for!

"was posted saying vile things" Oh poor Bill got his feelings hurt by an 8 year old.

And it's not JUST child abuse, but it's the worst inhuman thing you can do to a child.

Besides, "Religion has incited hell of a lot more violence than rap music or video games" is she wrong? Honestly? Read your history text books. There's a lot of violence caused by religion even before video games or rap music was even ever a though.

"Religion has caused the genocide of nations, and continues to!" Again, is she wrong? I point your attention to the crusades, the holocaust, and even what's going on at this very moment all over the middle east.

"We've had things for centuries that have done far worse things. Like the KKK or the Nazi's..." Right again. "...or the republican party!" Well i think that was thrown in for a little humor, but then again they've done some bad things. Started a war on a second front under false pretenses when the first war they started wasn't over yet. Lied to their people about the war and a bunch of other things. Spied on their own people. The list can go on and on.

I Find it kinda funny that he never has anyone that doesn't agree with him on his show.

So true, over the years, millions of people have died due to religion and religious beliefs,
I honestly can't say the same for video games or rap music... even though video games really haven't been around for that long...but still, if you compare the the death totals now a days between the 2, Violence/Death is still 10 times higher due to Religion... look at the Middle East.. there is on going wars between different religions constantly.. and when will they stop? When one of them is completly eliminated...

Jumper PMS

12-12-2006, 02:48 PM

lol that's funny, I watched this last night because I have a new obsession with The ******* Fairies (http://www.myspace.com/thebastardfairies) and this video is a promo video for them.

I thought the video was funny, it rings some truth, right?

H2O Default

12-12-2006, 04:56 PM

Kal-El

12-12-2006, 07:16 PM

This topic has been run over so many times on nearly every gaming forum. While I don't really agree/disagree with either side I do think it's a bit low to push a child center-stage to get YOUR OWN beliefs out there.

It's not ok to use a child actor to express your views and be heard. People will listen listen to a child over some old geezer ranting about something. However, it's totally ok to have child actors playing extremely adult rolls in movies. It's ok to have a child actor in a horror movie for example, where there's blood, gore, extremely course language, and sometimes even nudity?

Paulina

12-12-2006, 07:31 PM

I let my mom listen to it and we talked about it for 45 minutes...this does prove a good point.

k1d 650

12-12-2006, 07:37 PM

It's not ok to use a child actor to express your views and be heard. People will listen listen to a child over some old geezer ranting about something. However, it's totally ok to have child actors playing extremely adult rolls in movies. It's ok to have a child actor in a horror movie for example, where there's blood, gore, extremely course language, and sometimes even nudity?

Exactly, I cant remember the name of the movie, but this 10 year old girl was smoking, though is was made some time ago. Is it okay? Is that "child abuse"? Even if she was acting and getting paid to do this? I think Bill O'Reiley just got his feelings hurt by the liitle girl so he plays the abuse card.

xi Apocalypse ix

12-12-2006, 08:19 PM

Yeah, and I guess they are going to blame it on Saint's Row this time around.By the way, I have SR. People has to realize that it isn't the games that causes violence. It's the way the parents raise their children.

Righty is LAW

12-12-2006, 10:56 PM

I don't agree with blaming religion for everything wrong with the world. It's corrupt and immoral people driven by false religion that are the ones that give religious beliefs and actions a poor name. The fact that it's simply putting the blame on something else does not solve any problems either, and is infact, creating a larger rift between what is the "accepted" wrong and those that believe or enjoy doing the "accepted" wrong are automatically classed as being the root of problems.

I find it ironic that while both arguements offer a cause to place the blame on, neither offers a solution. Neither the solution to discontinue video games nor abandon religion are plausable or worth pursuing.

I'm a Christian that plays Halo 2 - I'm automatically classed as being a troublesome addition to the world on both opposing sides? I must really be bad. Ppppllllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaasssssseeeee.....

If anyone is going to blame voilence on anything, then it should be the corruptness of immoral people combined with the imperfections of the human nature that are easily be controlled by greed, envy, and other actions and feelings that are considered unethical.

Logic continues to impress me.

Ragedoll

12-13-2006, 12:47 AM

Ok soooo! Hello to all of the beautiful members of the clan. <3 you all!

Both sides have valid points. They will never remove religion, and they will not remove video games. So please don't take this video personal : ) No one is going to agree on this issue and we don't want to offend anybody. This post was created purely for entertainment to those who enjoy the video it was most defiantly not meant to cause conflict among us.

This is something that is your personal opinion of right and wrong. I can't stress enough that ALL sides have valid points for their beliefs. So life is all about choices, and here is what you have to pick from. "This video can upset me and put me into a bad mood." OR "I can accept all the views and take them lightly, and not let it change my mood"

I chose to not let it change my mood, I can't say I agree with all the opinions that have been posted, and I do agree with others. But this is not a personal attack on me, nor is it an attack on you. So we should all LOVE each other here : ) everybody is different, so let's respect that shall we ladies?

<3 you all!

edx

12-13-2006, 02:28 AM

Dex the message isnt false because an 8 yr old saying it, I just feel it's wrong SELLING an idea with the premise "8 year old speaks the truth!". It's done for attention, if a 45 year old said it it wouldnt be as interesting. Hell you could get a parrot to say "f*** Bush" but it's all a ploy for marketing.

CajunH2O

12-13-2006, 03:05 AM

I think the point of using the girl was to show that kids are the focus of this debate not adults. Even if an adult is said to have done something due to videogames its when they were younger. I dont rightfully agree with using a kid to do this either(esp considering the language) but I understand why they did it and what they were trying to convey.

MacGrandma

12-13-2006, 03:22 AM

Wow, Sad really sad.. To use this girl to make a point against things she is not old enough to understand yet. Religion, Violence, etc. Children do not understand that monsters are not real until they are 7 years old. Religion has more history against it because it is older ancient, violence has been here forever there will always be people with different points of view negative and positive in life. Wait till Video games get that old. There are people of all kinds races religions gaming types arguing about so many things. Why don't people just quit and get along, enjoy life and look to the future to family and friends gaming in the PMS community means friends, none of us look at the games as corruptive to each other, just a get together like in the old days was a neighborhood picnic :) Is the glass half empty or half full are you full of anger or love that depicts your future raise your kids full of love and caring and they will continue on the same way no matter what game you play *HUGS* from The Halo2 PMS Grandma :)

Iris

12-13-2006, 08:31 AM

yeah i definantly agree, on not using the little girl, especially when they don't understand what is going on, but i also agree with cajun, because they say videogames make kids "violent" so *shrug* i don't know.

PMS Saphira

12-13-2006, 08:44 AM

Kal-El

12-13-2006, 10:04 AM

I think something needed to be said on this issue, although I don't agree with how they said it.

Making a fake video on YouTube doesn't help get the point across as we've seen. I know enough about Bill O'Reilly to know that he would defend himself, and making a kid recite a speech they don't understand doesn't help too much either - it'd be much more effective if they had used someone who knows what they are talking about and who really wants to speak out about this issue.

We have offered solutions so that parents can make a more informed decision on what games to buy - the ESRB was one response to this problem, as is checking ID to make sure that kids don't get their hands on video games. Parents will get the games for their kids anyways, which kind of defeats the purpose. Parents are the ones at fault for purchasing the games for their kids, although they will deny it and blame the games themselves.

The problem is people like Bill O'Reilly and Hilary Clinton are STILL blaming video games for violence. You could force blood tests, showing of a passport, birth certificate, and background checks on people before they buy a game, but the only thing that will silence people like them would be the banishment of all games except pong and duck duck goose.

Heck, even if that happened I bet they'd complain about how duck duck goose is emotional abuse towards the child who never gets to be the goose.

Oh and 8 year olds understand and have the potential to understand a lot more than you give them credit for.

PMS Rain

12-13-2006, 10:14 AM

He really said that was the worst form of child abuse? O'Reilly you silly silly foolish old man you're digging own your own grave.

"like the Nazis or the Republican party" rofl, rofl indeed.

OMG I WANT THAT END SONG!!!!!!

edit: CHEA!!! I found it... The ******* Fairies - We're All Going to Hell
I declare this my new favorite song

PMS Agent

12-13-2006, 02:46 PM

edit: CHEA!!! I found it... The ******* Fairies - We're All Going to Hell
I declare this my new favorite song

Haahaahaa...agreed...pretty awesome song...

Well here's my two cents...religion is 1 of the 3 things you never debate about because it just causes tension between people...and another thing is that people all have different opinions about certain things and it doesn't change the mind of the other person if you're debating it with them. So just keep that in mind and try not to fight with people stating their opinions ^_~

PMS Rain

12-13-2006, 03:42 PM

True religion is an endless fight, but when it crosses paths with fact (see my myspace/books/genetics books for more) things get...... well......
Dun Dun Dunnnnnn......

Null

12-14-2006, 12:24 AM

I Think It Funny

Lmao Lmao Lmao

Kal-El

12-14-2006, 01:05 AM

Haahaahaa...agreed...pretty awesome song...

Well here's my two cents...religion is 1 of the 3 things you never debate about because it just causes tension between people...and another thing is that people all have different opinions about certain things and it doesn't change the mind of the other person if you're debating it with them. So just keep that in mind and try not to fight with people stating their opinions ^_~

Technically, you can't really debate about anything. If people are so set in their belief that their opinion is the absolute right one that you can't have a discussion about it because it causes tension, then you can't debate anything with them. Their opinions are the absolute right ones all the time.

If I told someone like that that Halo 2 sucked the male chickens or that Apples where better than oranges, then, assuming they were on the other side of the debate, they would just deny any reasoning behind my opinion. I'd be wrong, they are right, end of story. No discussion.

I think that's the problem with people like Mr. Reilly and Mrs. Clinton. They say video games and rap music cause violence. If someone tries to tell them that violence has always been part of human nature or that systems are in place to keep games with inappropriate material in them out of the hands of youngsters that shouldn't have them, they'll still have the notion that video games cause violence and the only solution is to get rid of it.

Video games don't cause violence, irresponsibility does.

Oh and something about the abuse angle just sprung to mind;

If a parent "forcing" their atheist views on their child is abuse, then wouldn't a parent "forcing" their theist views on their child also be child abuse?

Dex the message isnt false because an 8 yr old saying it, I just feel it's wrong SELLING an idea with the premise "8 year old speaks the truth!". It's done for attention, if a 45 year old said it it wouldnt be as interesting. Hell you could get a parrot to say "f*** Bush" but it's all a ploy for marketing.

That's the whole point. Adults have been saying video games don't cause violence since the topic came up, but no one listens. So a little girl got up and said the same thing "video games don't cause violence." Sure it shocked people, but that's the point. Like I said above the people rallying to get rid of violence in video games aren't listening to what people are trying to tell them; There has always been violence and yes somethings in games are inappropriate for some ages/people, which is why there are warning and rating labels on them.

edx

12-14-2006, 04:31 AM

Well the whole thing is she was fed those lines, they were not her own. If it had been her own original thoughts then that's one thing. The fact that it was staged makes the vessel no different than a dog and pony show. Im not saying I disagree with the message;), i just disagree how it was portrayed.

PMS Rain

12-14-2006, 09:27 AM

Well if everyone is complaining about how this thing was done and if this girl should have been fed these lines.... Who would you rather do it? Personally I'd gladly deliver a lot of the points, if not all, covered in this video. When you get down to it, if this was explained in a way that this girl could understand do you think she'd agree? Ok, perhaps she's not mature enough to understand this stuff but when/if she's older I still challenge with the same idea, if she knew what she was saying, who's who to say she wouldn't agree?

edx

12-14-2006, 10:39 AM

You wouldnt deliver a msg that you didnt morally agree with would you?

When you get down to it, if this was explained in a way that this girl could understand do you think she'd agree? Ok, perhaps she's not mature enough to understand this stuff but when/if she's older I still challenge with the same idea, if she knew what she was saying, who's who to say she wouldn't agree?

That explains it right there. She is NOT old enough to know let alone old enough to base her own opinions structured around her own views on morality. That and you can not play the "if" game either. Sure she could agree with this in 10 years when she's seen a little more of the world, but at the same time maybe someone playing GTA on their PSP mows down her family in front of her in 10 years. Look, I agree with the message for the most part, what I dont agree with is using the girl as a gimic.

PMS Agent

12-14-2006, 12:01 PM

If a parent "forcing" their atheist views on their child is abuse, then wouldn't a parent "forcing" their theist views on their child also be child abuse?

I completely agree with what you said I was forced to become a Catholic...I was baptised and what not...I only attended church 2 days out of my whole life...3 if you include being baptised. Now I am agnostic. And the answer is yes...if a parent forcing atheist views on a child is abuse then a parent forcing theist views on a child is most definitely abuse.

PMS Rain

12-14-2006, 01:00 PM

OH **** Rock on Agent!!! rofl

Iris

12-14-2006, 01:34 PM

I don't know. This subject sounds like a tuffy lol. I agree with edx though...I just don't agree with using the young girl.

Kal-El

12-15-2006, 09:03 AM

You wouldnt deliver a msg that you didnt morally agree with would you?

That explains it right there. She is NOT old enough to know let alone old enough to base her own opinions structured around her own views on morality. That and you can not play the "if" game either. Sure she could agree with this in 10 years when she's seen a little more of the world, but at the same time maybe someone playing GTA on their PSP mows down her family in front of her in 10 years. Look, I agree with the message for the most part, what I dont agree with is using the girl as a gimic.

Ok but it's ok to use children in commercials for products? There are tons of commercials for car lots. Does the child know enough about the world to know that this car lot offers the best deals or what "low APR financing" is? Do they know what side curtain airbags are?

Can any child in any commercial really accurately testify to the quality of the product he/she has been hired to help sell? Heck, most adults can't even do that! They're just hired to read lines and sell products.

edx

12-15-2006, 03:38 PM

Absolutely not Dex, that's my point. I'm not arguing that this is a sole incident where wrong was done. As always, my posts encompassa broader spectrum.

RuMbLeZ

12-23-2006, 02:20 AM

Honestly, It depends on the child. Games have no involvement whats so ever in how a child acts in real life.. To a limit I say it actually helps kids from doing things such as shooting up school's .. Think of it this way.

You had a bad day at School/Work/etc ... You wanna blow off some steam? You go get on (Halo2, GoW, DoA4) Anything it helps you relieve stress .. You get your anger out on the game killing some people right? .. Now lets say a kid who's never played these kinda games b4 in his life .. He come's home has nothing to relieve stress on except lets say another person .. OR the person at school making him feel bad? in which he brings a gun to school and goes (GTA) On every1 there when it would've helped him to get it outa his system on the actually video game, So in my opinion Video games actually keep kids from doing bad things .. and thats were the actual childs personallity/Life style comes into the arguement .. Most kids have issues others dont, and you cant give the same answer for every individual person out there? .. These are just my opinions and I hoped they helped

Uziyahu

12-29-2006, 10:59 AM

Her assertion that violence is caused by the religious, rather than the irreligious, is just as falacious.

Any student of history can recognize that it is the educated irreligious that have used religion as a tool to motivate the uneducated religious to acts of violence.

PMS Rain

12-29-2006, 11:07 AM

Empathy

12-29-2006, 01:28 PM

I'm a republican and a Christian and I was outright offended by some of her statements in that video. Blindly grouping the republicans as a bunch of warmongers and Christians at the central fault of religious war. I'm not a man who wishes after holy wars, and I sure as hell don't agree with how the war in Iraq is being handled, but does that make me any less republican or any less Christian? No. I'll play video games all day, being republican and Christian all at the same time and I'm never gonna go out at kill something, why? Because I have moral values that tell me its wrong, the fault does not lie in the hands of the Republicans, Christians, Democrats, Muslims, Rap Music, or Rock and Roll, it lies in the hands of parents who fail to teach their children moral values. What a suprise, so stop blaming Video Games for all your shortcomings politicians, parents, etc...

Now, if you'll excuse me, that rant has me feeling like listening to "I Shot the Sheriff" lol

HiredArm

12-30-2006, 12:32 PM

I believe this is just another example of our society which fails to hold people accountable for their actions. I think if videogames caused violence then there would be a lot more people dead seeing as how it's a multi billion dollar industry. I believe certain stimuli could contribute to push a person over the edge whether it's video games, road rage, family problems, negligent parenting, or whatever else but that person would have probably snapped anyway. I believe that this argument, which comes up every few years, is just another issue for politicians and whatnot to argue upon to try to prove how much they believe in "old school family values."