Since Wriggles got nerfed..

[H2O Trollie]

I feel that 2 dorans + vampiric sceptor helps more along with the new masteries..
it's 200g cheaper and gives 3% more lifesteal at the cost of wriggles passive and ward.
but then, i never liked the wriggles passive because it pushes lanes easily.
then the wards part is pretty good but 285 gold = 3 vision wards.....um.. i honestly think i buy WAY more than 3 in an average top solo game.

then some other differences are armor and hp and 3 attack damage.
imo, hp early game does more than armor. especially when it's 200hp vs 30 armor.
statistically they may be roughly the same but what do you feel when you see some off-tank with like a lot more bars of hp lol?

what do you guys think?

[H2O SkywalkerX]

idk, early game dorans and vamp scepter may sound good. however wriggles is such a strong item for dragon fights and baron fights, making dragon/baron go down extremely fast. not to mention if lets say you keep wriggles for 25 minutes, you are able to get your bloodthirster at this point and replace it (usually it takes longer, but for this ill say 25), within that 25min, if you were to get wriggles at 5min in, at 3min a ward, that's 6 wards or so, thats 500 gold for free. however if you were to go dorans route in total it would cost 1900 gold to keep up with that which is 320 gold more, albeit not much, and as you said there are benefits of going either way whether it's the 200 more health and 3% lifesteal or the 30 armor and 3 more AD. idk, id rather get the wriggles, and if i really wanted to spend 155 more gold to get another dorans to match the 2 dorans + vamp scepter. HOWEVER, if you REALLY look at it, they didn't nerf wriggles at all, that 3% extra lifesteal is still there, they just moved it into the masteries tree. I just think the benefit of the wriggles passive for dragon/baron and all around jungle creeps is just too good to pass up.

[H2O Trollie]

idk, early game dorans and vamp scepter may sound good. however wriggles is such a strong item for dragon fights and baron fights, making dragon/baron go down extremely fast. not to mention if lets say you keep wriggles for 25 minutes, you are able to get your bloodthirster at this point and replace it (usually it takes longer, but for this ill say 25), within that 25min, if you were to get wriggles at 5min in, at 3min a ward, that's 6 wards or so, thats 500 gold for free. however if you were to go dorans route in total it would cost 1900 gold to keep up with that which is 320 gold more, albeit not much, and as you said there are benefits of going either way whether it's the 200 more health and 3% lifesteal or the 30 armor and 3 more AD. idk, id rather get the wriggles, and if i really wanted to spend 155 more gold to get another dorans to match the 2 dorans + vamp scepter. HOWEVER, if you REALLY look at it, they didn't nerf wriggles at all, that 3% extra lifesteal is still there, they just moved it into the masteries tree. I just think the benefit of the wriggles passive for dragon/baron and all around jungle creeps is just too good to pass up.

The part where the dragon/baron slaying is true... it does help a lot more.
as for the gold part i'm still for the 2dorans vamp build cuz with 200 gold, i can get like 2 wards and some potions. if i place one ward per 3 minutes, 6 minutes can get me a lot of gold (that would at least get me a frozen mallet)
so i'm like 50/50 on that part...
and you said something about transferring the 3% into masteries, well that means 2dorans+vamp build gets an extra 3% => buff. that's why i'd choose the buff'd build over wriggles

now aside from the 2doransvamp build, what do you guys think of razer + vamp without upgrading it? cuz razers can become bloodrazer and vampiric sceptor can become something else. would you guys prefer that build over the 2 mentioned before? why or why not?

[H2O Trollie]

well to me, 1 ward is not really enough to make me feel safe.. so wriggles giving 1 ward to me is kinda mehhh. and pushing a lane really isn't good all the time. you only push at certain moments, so that's my choice for 2dorans+vamp

[H2O SkywalkerX]

well to me, 1 ward is not really enough to make me feel safe.. so wriggles giving 1 ward to me is kinda mehhh. and pushing a lane really isn't good all the time. you only push at certain moments, so that's my choice for 2dorans+vamp

as far as pushing goes, early game there should be no reason to sit there and auto attack creeps anyways unless you're getting enemy creeps off your tower, even then you go for the last hit, which the extra damage doesn't affect because you're regular hit would kill it anyways.

[H2O Rei Yureimx007]

The thing with wriggles if that it benefits mostly melee dps champs for laning and jungling and sometimes on range for the early lifesteal. Other than that i dont see why not to get it its actually pretty good on the long run

[H2O Mechie]

Wriggles (http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Wriggle%27s_Lantern) still gives an insane amount of armor and bonus damage for the gold cost (23 damage is close to that of a Pickaxe: 25. Pickaxe costs 975. Add a Vampiric worth 450 to that and that's 1425. Wait, we forgot to add the 30 armour! Yeah. That's what I mean), as well as infinite ward control for your lane. On top of that, fast Dragon killing or a quick visit to the jungle to kill some creeps is something which you shouldn't underestimate.

I would NEVER take double Doran's + vampiric over Wriggles, simply because Doran's blade is a short term "I REALLY NEED A BOOST IN DAMAGE AND HP OR I WILL LOSE" item.

[H2O Trollie]

I would NEVER take double Doran's + vampiric over Wriggles, simply because Doran's blade is a short term "I REALLY NEED A BOOST IN DAMAGE AND HP OR I WILL LOSE" item.

you don't think 200HP does more than 30 armor? how bout for some champions..do you think that's still viable?

[H2O Mechie]

I would NEVER take double Doran's + vampiric over Wriggles, simply because Doran's blade is a short term "I REALLY NEED A BOOST IN DAMAGE AND HP OR I WILL LOSE" item.you don't think 200HP does more than 30 armor? how bout for some champions..do you think that's still viable?

Well, let's assume that 90% of the damage you take during laning phase battles at bottom lane are physical damage. That means 30 armor is an increase of effective health of 27%. To break even with the 200 health, your champion would only need to have a maximum health of 740, which you usually have by the time you can afford such items.

/math'd

[H2O Crexius]

wriggles (http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/wriggle%27s_lantern) still gives an insane amount of armor and bonus damage for the gold cost (23 damage is close to that of a pickaxe: 25. Pickaxe costs 975. Add a vampiric worth 450 to that and that's 1425. Wait, we forgot to add the 30 armour! Yeah. That's what i mean), as well as infinite ward control for your lane. On top of that, fast dragon killing or a quick visit to the jungle to kill some creeps is something which you shouldn't underestimate.

I would never take double doran's + vampiric over wriggles, simply because doran's blade is a short term "i really need a boost in damage and hp or i will lose" item.

qft!!!