Halo:Reach= Terrible story but awesome multiplayer

[H2O Battousai]

I don't know if anyone else other than me read the Halo prequels but if you have not they detailed everything about the origins of the SPARTAN program and first contact with the Covenant. This new game is just literally ignoring ALL of that, and btw Bungie worked on those books too so it is not like they were unofficial or Bungie didn't know about them or anything so WHY WHY is Bungie ruining what good be a good story and turning it into a crappy one, ALSO despite the Halo series being a great one everyone agrees that the endings to both Halo 2 and Halo 3 were terribad. Discuss

[X Trigger I]

I don't think i can remember what Halo 3 story was about.. if i'm honest i have no clue about any of the halo storys :P all i do know is halo 3 co-op was awesome!! I hate single player games and i hate halo MP but HALO3 coop rocked me one sock.

[H2O Battousai]

I admit it was fun, but it was a mindless fun and it is sad considering that the story of Master Chief has an exorbitant amount of potential.

[H2O Gin]

the thing is, the books covered the SPARTAN project in general.

the new game covers Nobel Team during the last days of Reach specifically.

the book covers YEARS, the game covers a week maybe.

more time=more information,
not the developers fault, they need to keep the time-frame realistic.

[H2O Battousai]

But the motto for reach is "see how it began" how did it BEGIN 27 years after first contact?

[H2O Gin]

how the FALL of REACH began? :P

all that stuff have many interpretations

[k1d 650]

How is Bungie ignoring everything from the novels? When they mean "How it all began" I believe they mean how the story of the Halo trilogy began. If you know the story that takes place in Reach, which I do, then you would understand what they mean. Without spoiling anything, Bungie has confirmed that the actions of Noble Team allow Master Chief to do what he does.

[H2O Knuckles]

I don't know if anyone else other than me read the Halo prequels but if you have not they detailed everything about the origins of the SPARTAN program and first contact with the Covenant. This new game is just literally ignoring ALL of that, and btw Bungie worked on those books too so it is not like they were unofficial or Bungie didn't know about them or anything so WHY WHY is Bungie ruining what good be a good story and turning it into a crappy one, ALSO despite the Halo series being a great one everyone agrees that the endings to both Halo 2 and Halo 3 were terribad. Discuss

I have read the first four novels and I think I can say Reach will have a bad story. But, I also think it isn't ignoring all of the books but instead it is adding a new story to it. The books never said that there weren't any Spartan III's on Reach when the Covenant attacked so Bungie isn't ignoring the books but just adding another side story to the Halo Universe. I thought the ending to Halo 2 was okay, but the Halo 3 was awful, seeing how it copied the first Halo's ending. Overall, I think they will ruin the series by turning a good idea into another bad game, kinda like they did with ODST.

[H2O SkywalkerX]

It's ignoring the construction of the SPARTANs yes. But first contact, no. The very first contact of the covenant race was when they glassed Harvest, but at that time they had no idea what they were or what they were doing. The first contact with the covenant was in the Harvest system, which was done by Master Chief's team. Which isn't the only SPARTANs out there, aside from the chiefs team there was about 30+ more SPARTANS. so why not tell the story of something different? I honestly think the story is going to be a good one, something different, not something we've already read and learned about.

The only reason i agree that h2 and h3 endings were bad is because they were "bosses" which shouldnt be allowed in the type of game halo is, which Reach from what i've seen so far, does not have

[H2O Knuckles]

Overall, I think they will ruin the series by turning a good idea into another bad game, kinda like they did with ODST.

I wanna go ahead and say that I was wrong. I think that the Reach Campaign was awesome. I think it was the second best campaign in the halo series, the first being Halo 2. There where some bad moments in the game, but what game doesn't have them.

[H2O Battousai]

I played the first few hours of the campaign for reach and so far I do not like it, maybe if it was its OWN story but in the very beginning the covenant are already on Reach and they don't even realize it till after they send some SPARTANS to take care of supposed REBELS

The second set of Spartans were being trained but they were only in there teens and the spartan project had all the Spartans grow up in the same compound and every Spartan knew all the others so I don't get how in the opening cut scene some no name spartan comes along that the other Spartans have never met before and I know that in the books they had several spartan squads with different leaders other than Master Chief but all the Spartans were trained together and all knew each other so I am still HIGHLY skeptical about the story to REACH

Also Reach was a planet for the military and in the one of the trailers it shows civilians which is fine I can accept that there is probably a few civilian city's on Reach even though the whole planet is nothing but a military base. BUT really the Covenant managed to land on Reach completely undetected REALLY!

[H2O SkywalkerX]

I played the first few hours of the campaign for reach and so far I do not like it, maybe if it was its OWN story but in the very beginning the covenant are already on Reach and they don't even realize it till after they send some SPARTANS to take care of supposed REBELS

The second set of Spartans were being trained but they were only in there teens and the spartan project had all the Spartans grow up in the same compound and every Spartan knew all the others so I don't get how in the opening cut scene some no name spartan comes along that the other Spartans have never met before and I know that in the books they had several spartan squads with different leaders other than Master Chief but all the Spartans were trained together and all knew each other so I am still HIGHLY skeptical about the story to REACH

Also Reach was a planet for the military and in the one of the trailers it shows civilians which is fine I can accept that there is probably a few civilian city's on Reach even though the whole planet is nothing but a military base. BUT really the Covenant managed to land on Reach completely undetected REALLY!

i agree with the fact that noble 6 should have been known, however if noble 6 is a SPARTAN-II then carter and the others wouldn't know him. I haven't read ghosts of onyx in awhile which is the SPARTAN-III story, so i dont remember exactly if the III's were trained exclusively together as a whole or if trained seperately in teams.

idk if you've read the fall of reach or not, but the covenant do land on reach undetected except by keyes in space, so it's highly possible the people on the ground did not know they were there yet due to COMMs being down and etc.

[brute]

if the goal of Reach was to give a very specific look into the Noble 6 and their critical missions leading up to the pillar of autumn which was for all intents and purposes the "beginning" of Halo as we know it then they did a great job.

if you'd rather see the literal beginning of how the war all started then i guess they kinda failed but the campaign imo was great both gameplay and storyline wise - just i guess how you look at the story and what you expected it to be determines your value in it.

[H2O Knuckles]

Okay, according to "First Strike" and "The Ghost of Onyx" the Spartan III's where trained by a Spartan II, named Kurt(If you have the limited Edition or the legendary edition check Halsey's Journal and you'll find out more about Kurt) and his trainer. They kidnapped several hundred children from the ages of 8 to 14 for the Spartan III Program and the planet Onyx was the training zone. They trained as a small group normally five or six people per group and competed against each other in objectives to get stronger. The Spartan III's where produced in waves and sent of suicide missions in which was literally suicide to complete the mission. After a wave was killed off they made a new wave of about 300 new children.

So the Spartan III's had a good chance of not knowing everyone of them. The Spartan II's are the one's that all trained together and knew each other. I hope that solves your problem and now I am going to kill myself for being that nerdy. And all of that is mentioned in "The Ghost of Onyx".

Also, I did say that their was a few bad things about that game and that the not knowing that the Covenant was on Reach was one of them. Along with Master Chief being in the game.(He is an Easter Egg)

[H2O DarkKnight 2k6]

Eff the books. im good with just going Reach,1,2,ODST and 3.

[k1d 650]

I played the first few hours of the campaign for reach and so far I do not like it, maybe if it was its OWN story but in the very beginning the covenant are already on Reach and they don't even realize it till after they send some SPARTANS to take care of supposed REBELS

The second set of Spartans were being trained but they were only in there teens and the spartan project had all the Spartans grow up in the same compound and every Spartan knew all the others so I don't get how in the opening cut scene some no name spartan comes along that the other Spartans have never met before and I know that in the books they had several spartan squads with different leaders other than Master Chief but all the Spartans were trained together and all knew each other so I am still HIGHLY skeptical about the story to REACH

Also Reach was a planet for the military and in the one of the trailers it shows civilians which is fine I can accept that there is probably a few civilian city's on Reach even though the whole planet is nothing but a military base. BUT really the Covenant managed to land on Reach completely undetected REALLY!


There are so many things wrong with your statement here that I will try and address, after I find a comma or period...

After extensive searching:

Comma: 1 (Used in the wrong way too)

Period: 0

EDIT - I found an exclamation mark.

Okay, so I'll try and explain a few things that you are obviously confused about.



1. Supposed rebels? I assume you know that the UNSC had a huge problem with rebels. That's why the ORION/SPARTAN Program was first created.

2. I think you mean SPARTAN II when you say "second set of spartans." Yes, THEY were all trained together, SPARTAN III's on the other hand were trained in mass quantities on Onyx by Kurt (kidnapped SPARTAN II and Officer Mendez) Noble Team is made of all SPARTAN III's except for Jorge. SPARTAN III's were trained by the hundreds since they were cheaper to "make." It makes perfect sense that they wouldn't know of one other SPARTAN.

3. Yes, The Covenant could land on Reach without being detected. Since they tracked Keyes to Reach they knew EXACTLY where they were going. The Covenant were much better with Slipspace so they were able to jump/land in atmosphere. These huge advantages paired with their cloaking technology, I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to land on Reach undetected.

[PMS Tiny Zombie]

+1 for kid.

All this talk makes me want to go re-read the books.

[H2O Sakuya]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OQQOWkXxKk

Not so fun now.

[H2O Dunham]

I love that people start to assume that a story is wrong when they even post details from the book incorrectly.

If you got the legendary edition, it even explains it better than the Fall of Reach Book.

Master Chief and the Spartan II's are around 36 or 37 when the first contact on reach happens.


The game is not about how the Covenant - USNC war started. It is how the whole Halo issue began.

Spartan III's were made without Halsey at all. They were far inferior to Spartan II's.

So Battousai, make a little more effort in research before saying the story doesn't follow the books.

[H2O SkywalkerX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OQQOWkXxKk

Not so fun now.

modders will always be in halo, not like it killed halo 3 and the modding was horrendous, they'll ban, and do their best, but it isn't a game breaker.

[H2O Battousai]

After extensive searching:



I do not believe that you searched extensively. At a glance there was a period in my post right towards the end.

[H2O SkywalkerX]

I do not believe that you searched extensively. At a glance there was a period in my post right towards the end.

so for 3 paragraphs you had 1 comma, 1 period, and 1 exclamation mark, not really something to brag about him missing 1 thing lol

[H2O Battousai]

I dont post on these forums and care about punctuation... obviously

[H2O Knuckles]

You tell him Battousai!!! I don't care either when I'm posting on forums but when I write it kills me when I see an misstake.

lol

[H2O Battousai]

You tell him Battousai!!! I don't care either when I'm posting on forums but when I write it kills me when I see an misstake.

lol

lol lzy ppl ftw!!!!

[H2O Creation]

Awesome multiplayer?? It's lacking some crucial ingrediants to be awesome. = ( Its ranking has left me ranting, RED IN THE FACE MY SPARTAN IS.