Why Does Everybody Say.

[H2O HbDark]

Modern Warfare 2 was fail????
I honestly didn't see it as fail.
Personally I thought It was an improvement to CoD4.
Storyline, Multiplayer, Replay Value, and Spec Ops
was a good way to team up and beast with friends.
Iunno I keep seeing after CoD4 everything went down
W@W I agree excluding Nazi Zombies but MW2?
Just wondering lol:mvconfused:

[H2O Obsidian]

WaW was My favorite Campaign and MW2 had a good one to.I like COD 4's multiplayer better than both though

[H2O JuicyFruit]

The retail sales for this game have passed the 1 billion dollar mark as of Jan '10, I don't see how that translates to "fail".

[X Trigger I]

What i think is fail is there was only one map pack for cod4. :( Cod4 set such a high bar imo did everything right. Mw2 still a good game but not my fav.

[Molly]

Modern Warfare 2 did everything absolutely perfectly right except for one thing, no LAN. Sure most people don't like the kill streaks but guess what? You can turn them off in competitive play, so it doesn't matter.

There's also objective barebones if you are really against it. I honestly can't think of a single real 'fail' thing about MW2. The weapons are rather diverse too.

Yeah... you've got 3 dominant guns(UMP/ACR/FAMAS), but all games have 'bests'. If you ask me having 3 'bests' is rather impressive =]

I love MW2 and while at first I was against it, it seems like Black Ops is going to turn out to be a good game as well.

[H2O GR3Y5H3ART]

MW2 was fail...sales doesn't mean its Win

its a known fact that IW rushed the release to make money on the COD franchise but the game suffered

look at Bungie, Halo Reach took years to develop whereas COD releases a new title almost every year and when?...usually right around Christmas time

MW2 is fail for MANY MANY reasons and it could've been great...still i play it more than anything but like a lot of other gamers, we're looking for the next big thing

[JeepChick PMS]

Fail for no LAN
Fail for all the hacks & exploits (that weren't fixed quickly or at all)
Fail for map layouts
Fail for lack of DLC and post release content/perks (when's the last time we had a double XP weekend).

A lot of that is/was the issue between IW heads and Activision - but it still leaves a lot of players with a bad taste in their mouth.

[Rizkit]

MW2 was fail...sales doesn't mean its Win

its a known fact that IW rushed the release to make money on the COD franchise but the game suffered

look at Bungie, Halo Reach took years to develop whereas COD releases a new title almost every year and when?...usually right around Christmas time

MW2 is fail for MANY MANY reasons and it could've been great...still i play it more than anything but like a lot of other gamers, we're looking for the next big thing

:mvagree:

[H2O JuicyFruit]

It's the nature of the industry to keep everyone perpetually hyped for the next 'big thing'.

The reach beta was enjoyable. But since I have yet to play the full game, I can't say one way or another which is better overall.

The only thing that game makers are succeeding at lately is marketing games so well they sell insane amount of pre-orders, regardless if the final product is good or not.

[H2O JuicyFruit]

I'm pretty sure anybody actually making the games sees sales as win.

[H2O Viral IX]

If it is fail why did people buy it to play it. >_< The company doesn't care what the individual think, they bought the game and are spending hours on it. That is win.

So for MW2, there is no such thing as fail in the dictionary. Only win,win,and more win. If you QQ then sell the game and don't bother playing it....the funny thing is people will still call fail and play the game why? Because it IS the best thing right now.

If MW2 isn't great, what is? You can say what YOU think is great, but according to alot of charts, MW2 IS great.

[X Trigger I]

Modern Warfare 2 did everything absolutely perfectly right except for one thing, no LAN. Sure most people don't like the kill streaks but guess what? You can turn them off in competitive play, so it doesn't matter.

There's also objective barebones if you are really against it. I honestly can't think of a single real 'fail' thing about MW2. The weapons are rather diverse too.

Yeah... you've got 3 dominant guns(UMP/ACR/FAMAS), but all games have 'bests'. If you ask me having 3 'bests' is rather impressive =]

I love MW2 and while at first I was against it, it seems like Black Ops is going to turn out to be a good game as well.

Barebones is only 4v4?

[Molly]

Barebones is only 4v4?

no but there is a Tactical playlist that is 4v4 (:

[Bone]

MW2 was a fail because the ridiculous amount of over compensation in the weapons. you have those "3 best weapons" that people who cant kill with anything have to use and it just turns into a game where everyones using a gun that takes only 2 or 3 bullets to kill and it just loses its fun. well thats what its like for me at least. those 3 guns are like the MP40 in WaW everyone starts to use it and you just get frustrated cause youre dying by some noob spraying and praying

[Hawk]

If you dont like it, dont buy it. If they're game has made a billion dollars, that means they are doing something very very right, because enough people liked it enough to buy it.

And they dont release a new one every year that was only in development for the year. They have different teams working on them, infinity ward completed CoD4 then began working on MW2. Treyarch finished W@W then started black ops.

The fact that other companies are much slower to put out new games is not a good thing in my oppinion. Im not the type of person that will spend 3 years playing the same game, even if its an amazing game. I really enjoyed CoD4, but i was ready for W@W when it came out, and i thought that it was only ok. I love MW2, but like many people, im getting a little bored with it, and im really looking forward to black ops.

Some people have said that releasing a new CoD title every year is just sapping the series, but i would like to know how giving the fans what they want is a bad thing?

[SushiMooshi]

its simply getting to be a milked franchise, they need to take time on it, 2 years is NOT enough to make a quality sequal, to improve.

MW2 fails in terms of competativness, its sales are only based off of CoD4's succecces and little kids who wanna be the next big PrO1337Sn1P3r who beg their parents to buy it.

the reason so many people like it is becasue you can pick it up and literally dominate a game by luck. it takes little to zero brain to have fun with(which i guess is a good thing). but in my eye's that doesn't appeal to me, the only i reason I own it was because it came with my ps3 and lots of people play it so its good to have fun with.

i know i know, people are gonna say "CoD takes total skill!" and point to me to factors, im just saying compared to games with a higher learning curve such as L4D, RTS's, Fighters, even gears takes more practice. but its a double edged sword, it may be accessable and easy to have fun with but in some peoples eyes(such as me) it means that games are to dependent on luck and therefore not fun, competetivly wise, and not satisfying when you win. In Blazblue when i beat an opponent after an epic best of 5, i feel "wow... I really toke him/her out". on CoD its like "oh cool i gained a level"

oh and to OP i LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE L!!!!! <3333

[H2O JuicyFruit]

The points being made here (glitches, learning curve, 'noob weapons', etc) can be said about almost any game released.

The only thing that is not an opinion are the sales figures. And in terms of sales, MW2 was the opposite of 'fail'... not to mention the DLC sales.

[SushiMooshi]

The points being made here (glitches, learning curve, 'noob weapons', etc) can be said about almost any game released.

The only thing that is not an opinion are the sales figures. And in terms of sales, MW2 was the opposite of 'fail'... not to mention the DLC sales.

yeah but OP simply stated, why does everyone say MW2 was a fail, not why does everyone say that MW2 didn't sell enough? trying to state that a game is good by mentioning sales isn't exactly the most credible way to defend it, either.

[Bone]

MW2 wasnt a fail if you go buy sales its made a ton of money and IW is laughing all the way to the bank. But in my opinion its the gameplay thats failed. The noob weapons and such are in every game sure but they are way more prevalent in MW2 the game comes down more to luck than skill or whoever sees who first and to me that isnt a fun game.

[mLmLmLmLm2k6]

A game truely fails when the creators dont help to fix it.

Mw2, a lot of effort was made to correct the issues, a lot. But then again, i have NEVER been so angry at a video game in my life.

[k1d 650]

For me there are two reasons MW2 failed. The glitches and exploits and shitty matchmaking. They're game breaking. If IW released a BETA I'm sure none of this would have happened. Yes, other games have glitches, but none to the extent this game has. A "AAA Title" should never have the problems MW2 had. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it, and still hop on from time to time, but no for very long. It takes SO LONG to get into a game with all your friends. Backing in and out over and over just to play one game. Stupid. The glitchers and 13 year olds have taken that game down.

[H2O DarkKnight 2k6]

im with HB that it wasnt a fail. also i find funny that people say the 3 "good" weapons posted above are the only "good ones" mainly cause its not true. ive stayed away from the UMP ever since everyone started to use it to show that you dont need it to kick butt in a game. ive done good if not better using Vector, Uzi, and MP5k (i alternate so i dont end up depending on one). Same story with the ACR and the rest of the AR's. every gun can kill but also it takes (guess what?) PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE! (especially true with the FAL). If you go into a game with a gun you never used before and you got it in you mind that everyone says its a bad gun and expect to pull off a 23-0 on TDM (or whatever mode)... then GL!

Hackers and glitchers and all that stuff is not so much the games fault but the need of desperate people to get a win when they dont have the skill or patience for it. the game company can patch it all it wants but there will always be one thing that people will find to abuse and cheat with. even with the beta how many updates were done with Halo 3? Starcraft 2 will also receive additional updates even after its long Beta.

the one thing i will say is while the campaign was awesome... it was short or at least it felt short to me compared to World at War or Modern Warfare 1, even Call of Duty Classic had a longer campaign! aside from that i enjoyed it. (BTW Halo 3 also had the same problem, awesome campaign but short unlike Halo 2 or Halo: Combat Evolved)

also with the DLC issue... im glad there isnt a DLC pack thrown at us every 2 months or so cause thats barely any time to enjoy the one you buy! besides how did we get by back in the day without the DLC? dont know either but we got through it so why the need for DLC right away? what bugs me is when people say they want DLC but the game was barely released 2 weeks before. now thats a "Work Time Fun" moment. (see what i did there?)

[QuoTez]

This happens to every game that gets like 1 year old (Or less). People say it sucks, fails because they simply suck at that game (trust me i said the same thing about WaW but after 2months i gave it another try and i loved it, and i was pretty good) How much you wanna bet that they will say the same thing about Halo: Reach, Black Ops and other future games after a year that that game came out. Its true, if you dont believe me tell a person that doesnt like MW2, that person probably sucks bad and is that type of person that screams for every little thing that happens. I know that MW2 has some bad thing on it, but tell me what games hasnt had a glitch, yeah NONE.

[Helios]

the game itself doesnt fail . The glitches,exploits,bugs, and the community that exploits those things are what fail not to mention activision not fixing things when needed and instead focusing on fattening their wallets is what fails as well

[Lady Eve PMS]

I don't think MW2 was a fail. I can't comment on the campaign because I haven't really played campaign on any fps game except Halo. I thought that MW2's multiplayer was much better than MW's multiplayer. However, I love WaW the most (out of all the cod games)!! I want my dogs back! :)

[Lady Eve PMS]

the game itself doesnt fail . The glitches,exploits,bugs, and the community that exploits those things are what fail not to mention activision not fixing things when needed and instead focusing on fattening their wallets is what fails as well

I agree completely :)

[PMS Mrs LuLu]

Everyone has different Opinions. I didn't like the live multiplayer because it was too difficult for my fast playing style. >_< But the campaign was very awesome, I liked the story line and the graphics.

[estrogenocide]

MW2 wasn't a fail, it's the gamers. Allow me to explain.

The CoD franchise is huge and is also a widely known competitive game. It's not just something any normal person (keyword: normal, not including the people who have an FPS talent) can pick up and master. It takes practice and time to get good at this game. This is a problem from a sales perspective. Why would anyone want to pick up a game that they don't have any chance of being at least decent at?

Therefore, IW introduced death streaks, the grenade launcher as one of the first weapon attachments you unlock, the tac. knife for those having difficulty pushing the thumbstick, and some OP weapons/perks combos. This allows beginner players to have a fighting chance against the veterans, therefore making them feel like they're good at the game, which makes them like it. They tell their friends how awesome it is and the sales skyrocket.

I love newbies, don't get me wrong. When I love something, like this game, I want to tell everyone about it, so I'm glad people are experiencing the same amount of fun as me. But it still is incredibly frustrating when I've got an awesome killstreak going and I run into someone with one of the above. It's especially frustrating when I run into a level 70, 10 prestige gamer using a newbie tactic.

Unfortunately, there's really nothing we can do about this. We can't tell IW to remove all these things, the gamers who use them would be in an uproar, IW would lose their credibility (whatever's left, I mean), and sales would plummet. So, I've just learned to accept them and sit fuming in my rage. :(

As far as the glitches & exploits go, all games have these issues and it's naive to expect a game of it's caliber to come out and not have it's HUGE fanbase find one little problem. Certain gamers will always find a way to cheat. There are groups of people devoted to simply finding glitches in games and exploiting them. It was unfortunate that they never released a beta, as that would have discovered many of the issues from the start, but I've been happy with how quick IW took action against the glitches and the players using them.

[PMS baybay_]

The thing is, MW2 has had more glitches than I've heard of. WaW only had the under the map, and some other small ones, but MW2.. Lets see. All of the inside hidden spots, the javelin, the prestige hack (which I've heard HASN'T been fixed fully), there's the bullshit OMA/DC/GL problem, the boosters in FFA*.. The fact that there are some pretty ridiculous kills (commando, shots that don't even hit the person yet still count somehow..)


*On a side note, people in 3rd person cage match probably boosted to get their perks done or certain challenges. People in FFA sit around with their tac inserts & boost for nukes. It's honestly NOT that hard to run around or just sit back a little in games for your killstreaks.

[H2O HbDark]

MW2 was fail...sales doesn't mean its Win

its a known fact that IW rushed the release to make money on the COD franchise but the game suffered

look at Bungie, Halo Reach took years to develop whereas COD releases a new title almost every year and when?...usually right around Christmas time

MW2 is fail for MANY MANY reasons and it could've been great...still i play it more than anything but like a lot of other gamers, we're looking for the next big thing

Dude didnt Bungie like release ODST where the maps where put with it
so the Halo gamers no wait the xbox gamers suffered by paying seprate maps?
and yea CoD releases every year cause activision are a bunch of ass faces
IW was pressured in releasing MW2 and they did it flawlessly to me.
Glitches and all that crap doesnt mean it failed it means there are people
with no lives looking to put a bad name to a sick game but then again thats my opinion.
Oh and that 3 best guns thats like an excuse to ppl who suuuck at playing
A guy with a FAL Single Shot Round beat my score and I was beasting with the UMP45
I was like that takes serious skill :D
Ive seen other ppl with like random guns beastin with it its all whether you can use the gun or cry about it...IMO lol

[H2O GR3Y5H3ART]

kinda old vid before the "fixes", but stated well:

IW Needs to watch and learn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1GCwPKHT7o

[ShocK3R]

I believe people consider it a fail because to my young people play it and there are a lot of campers... I'd say partial fail to the campers, I don't mind the kids.

[H2O Dunham]

The reason it was fail is the lack of fixes for hacks/glitches, and the fact they released a DLC right when the next COD is coming out. I don't even think it will be worth buying for the PS3 users.

Overall poor marketing. I think that is IW's main problem.

[H2O SkywalkerX]

I say it failed on the standpoint of overall matchmaking. Horrible wait times to get into matches, often having to back in and out to get all 6 of your friends in. And then you get in and the person who got picked as server is all red barring (although they made host switches which was a nice addition). And then god awful spawn points where you'll kill someone a nd they'll spawn right behind you, as in, in the killcam that they killed you you can see yourself killing them and them respawning, that's broken. The 10th prestige glitched is STILL not fixed, it's been so long and i still get so many randoms messages to join lobbies. I understand theres bugs and glitches in all new games, but fix them, in a timely manner, i remember the rust pregame lobby and get exp glitch took almost 2 weeks to fix, and even longer on PS3. So in the aspect of Matchmaking and the system mw2 uses, it failed. The overall gameplay and other things like that are fun.

To the "only 3 guns" thing. I'll agree there are 3 or so guns that are pretty OP. But i just lol at those people who use them and use my guns, although i disagree that the FAMAS is one of those OP guns, the UMP and the ACR are point and win.

Also to the "But ZOMG it won in sales owned" it's not hard for a game that is on 3 systems. So comparing a game like that to a game that's exclusive to one is completely ignorant, plus as someone had already said, it's kids begging their mommies to play cause they wanna be the new pro player.

[H2O I Dont Know]

Fail for no LAN
Fail for all the hacks & exploits (that weren't fixed quickly or at all)
Fail for map layouts
Fail for lack of DLC and post release content/perks (when's the last time we had a double XP weekend).

A lot of that is/was the issue between IW heads and Activision - but it still leaves a lot of players with a bad taste in their mouth.


i agree and the fail for all the overranged shotguns that was weak getting killed across map by the shotgunsFAIL to MW2

[PMS KoTn KaNdY]

Fail for no LAN
Fail for all the hacks & exploits (that weren't fixed quickly or at all)
Fail for map layouts
Fail for lack of DLC and post release content/perks (when's the last time we had a double XP weekend).

A lot of that is/was the issue between IW heads and Activision - but it still leaves a lot of players with a bad taste in their mouth.

agreed somewhat ... l mean l like mw2 but when it first came out l hated b'cuz all the hacks/gliches...but l loved W@W so idk ppl may agree with my opinions ... but overall l like mw2 :D

[Bravado]

Tbh the only thing I dont like about mw2 is the commando perk since basically they can lunge straight through bullets. Noob tubing is annoying but it isnt as bad as the former imo.

[Venus Gospel]

Game is cack most of the time tbh. There's only one reason I play it, because my friends play it, so we're just messing most of the time. I've never really liked any recent CoD games because people ruin the game with cheap tactics. A lowdown of whats wrong with the game you say? Here goes:

- Plain unskillful game for starters, whether IW wants to admit it or not this game was made to be noob friendly and has achieved that (e.g. akimbo guns, MEGA ******* AIM ASSIST, unbalanced guns & overpowered guns. and a very fucked up perk called commando, what the heck about 95% of the games weapons/perks/attachments are unskillful)

- Too many exploits in the game, e.g. everyone cheating for 10th, cheating titles and emblems. Not to mention before that there were other glitches beforehand like the javelin glitch and care package glitch.

- Community, it feels like ive joined the bloody tiny tots club or something when i'm in mw2 lobbies, because half the lobby seem to be not a day past 8 years old who sound like their balls are being scolded on a furnace.

The Gears franchise is a lot more enjoyable than CoD. The only thing wrong with GoW2 is the connections. Which is something MW2 has over Gears, if it weren't for that i'd be on gears constantly.

[PMS Bumblebevie]

nothing can be worse than gears of war 2