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Raven085
10-16-2006, 10:22 PM
This is a little rant on the stupidity of most girls in general. So many girls are proud of being stupid. They play up this side of themselves because they think its what guys like. They hang around in groups of threes or so, wearing their tiny clothes, Paris Hilton perfume and exclaiming, "that’s hot" whenever a possible occasion arises. These are the kind of girls that played with Barbie dolls when they were little and never stopped striving for that picture perfect naivety that embodies all things commercial and ridiculous.

I know what many of you are thinking "she’s a hypocrite, she tries to portray herself as good looking with her photos etc". If you think this- you have missed the point entirely- I think a woman’s beauty, sexuality and all that stuff should be expressed in whatever way that person feels fit. However I do believe that conforming to this pathetic "stupidity is rewarded ideal" is so ****ing stupid. I’m tired of seeing girls who have actual ambition casted out from certain groups etc. because they actually want to go somewhere in life.

There is nothing wrong with being intelligent and reasonably good looking either. In this world it seems to be one or the other- or so- so many girls seem to think. It’s pathetic, and honestly what is a guy going to be more attracted to? A girl who he knows will be something they aren’t to please him? Or a girl who is making something of themselves without regards to what everyone else thinks they should be- and takes him along the journey. I guess what I’m trying to say is that girls need to have some level of independence/individualism, rather than trying to conform to what mass media has deemed to be sexy.

I find it difficult to comprehend liking someone when all they do is cook, clean and exclaim "THATS HOT!"

hot chief DSO
10-16-2006, 10:48 PM
I have to agree with you -- you should have your independence and individualism for CERTAIN, but do it FOR YOURSELF and not for some guy!!

Make sure he's worthy before you sacrafice ANYTHING for him!!

Genghis Is My Homeboy
10-16-2006, 11:03 PM
Congrats, you've just summed up majority of the girls in my school -.-"

PMS Saphira
10-16-2006, 11:32 PM
that is so true.... so many are such losers.

Raven085
10-16-2006, 11:36 PM
Thankyou Thanlyou. *bows* <3 you guys

Fuzzy
10-16-2006, 11:59 PM
You know what they say: "Monkey see, monkey do." And this is no exception to a sole sex either, but relevant to both males and females. Usually this happens when the male or female is trying to appeal to a group of the same or opposite sex. For example, if a male sees a female acting "dumb" (as in the original poster's example of flaunting stupidity), then the male will adapt to the female's interests and act "dumb" in return. To relate to a real life example, compulsive underaged drinking or drug use are two hobbies most unintelligent or attention-whorish peoples will partake in order to fit into the already apparant social circle of "stupid people."

I use quotation marks around the words 'dumb' and "stupid people" only to emphasize that they may quantify a number of characteristics that you may or may not agree with and use it to generalize my statement.

Kal-El
10-17-2006, 12:11 AM
Music groups like the ***** cat dolls don't help things much either.

Kasumi Chan PMS
10-17-2006, 12:36 AM
I don't know many women like that, but I'm in higher age group than highschool, and I go to a community college (not a drinking university). However, that rant seems a little more relevent in the 50's or before that when that's what the average man was attracted to, stupidity and conformity. Nowadays, it's well known fact that the average man looks for an intelligent, and beautiful women. But that if he can't find a beautiful women, he'll easily settle for an intelligent one.

But, there are still many men who just look for that, a dumb blonde. So, IMO, as long as some men are still looking for that, and people still think that's cool (which it doesn't seem like, most teenager movies in the last years were about the underdog, not about the popular girl), some women will still act like that.

And also, I think the majority of girls who act like that, are still teenagers and haven't quite figured out who they are yet. So ya know, give 'em a break. When you meet an adult like that, that's when you rant.

But on other hand, it is all a matter of what you wanna be and what you find attractive, and it is possible that that stereotype is something that a few people still aspire to be or are attracted to. It might just be all a matter of opinion, just not a well liked opinion.

If you really wanna get into the psychology of it, if most of us are really against this idea, then we would follow through with being a strong and intelligent women in every aspect of our lives. However, when I get into the bedroom, I turn into a dumb blonde, and I think most women do, because it's fun! I think there's a fine line between all this, and I think it should all be left up to the individual. And if you don't like it, then don't interact with women who act like that, simple as that. If you don't give into to the attention-whoring, it's suddenly not a big deal.

BTW, I really like this:

There is nothing wrong with being intelligent and reasonably good looking either. In this world it seems to be one or the other- or so- so many girls seem to think. It’s pathetic, and honestly what is a guy going to be more attracted to? A girl who he knows will be something they aren’t to please him? Or a girl who is making something of themselves without regards to what everyone else thinks they should be- and takes him along the journey.

CajunH2O
10-17-2006, 03:01 AM
Yeah and then the bad guys give us good hearted guys a bad name and the girls are too afraid of being hurt again to give us a chance.......I hate stupid guys too.....:(

Rip
10-17-2006, 08:41 AM
I guess i'm picky, if I can't have an intelligent conversation with a girl then there's no way i'd ever be seriously interested in them. Thats one of the most apparent things I see at events, the PMS girls aren't fake at all, you can have serious conversations with them - about almost anything. And not-so-serious conversations too, I can't explain how much I love to laugh around you all.
As for steriotypes, considering most people here go against stereotypes one way or another, i don't think there's much concern along the conformist route ;)

kittyvamp1884
10-17-2006, 09:04 AM
I think this is also something that has been fading a good bit over the past several years...

Now I’ve been out of high school since 2002, but that rant seemed like a picture perfect description of life as it was back then. Any of us girls that rebelled from the "stupidity", and tried to be individuals, got shunned.

The funny thing is, I have run into some of the girls from that "popular click" in my high school (in college and over breaks and such) and they had to rewrite themselves later on. To fit in, the had to grow a brain. In some ways I derived sick satisfaction from this, but I’m just glad that the stereotype is changing.

I just watched my baby sister graduate high school, and I’ve been watching to see the changes in her friends and such, and things are not as bad as they used to be. Nothing is completely better, but I think things are improving.

PMS Rain
10-17-2006, 09:11 AM
I have to agree with you -- you should have your independence and individualism for CERTAIN, but do it FOR YOURSELF and not for some guy!!

Make sure he's worthy before you sacrafice ANYTHING for him!!


what?.... worthy? nah, only the chicas are worthy of any sacrafice. C'mon now, special measures are for special GIRLS ; )

PMS HateMaker
10-17-2006, 10:06 AM
Oh wow, yeah this kind of thing never changes. I have my 10 year high-school reunion next-year (god) and I was talking on the phone last week to one of my friends who still lives in the town where I graduated, and I asked her how the witches were (the stupid girls we hated that were considered "the most popular" and "the most beautiful" etc.) My friend told me they were all fat, and they all had kids but most of them were divorced, and they're mostly miserable. It sounds wrong and all that I take pleasure from this news but those girls were really mean to me lol

PMS Agent
10-17-2006, 12:56 PM
Congrats, you've just summed up majority of the girls in my school -.-"

Yeah mine too...and that's why I hate being in school because I see this girl who was pretty smart in grade school and now she is acting like she's stupid...

I don't get it...I'm just glad that I have 2 classes this semester and 3 next semester

PMS Archeai
10-17-2006, 01:11 PM
Those popular beautiful girls only act like that because they're too afraid to be a little wierd. Even though they judge the rest of us they're mostly trying to shield themselves from the judgment by putting the focus elsewhere.
I bet most if not all the girls here have been considered the "outcast" or "wierd" girls in school. Different=wrong in a lot of high school settings conformity=safe
^_^ Thats why you try to make them as uncomfortable as you can while you're still in school with them ^_^

PMS DarkAngel
10-17-2006, 06:08 PM
Ok, Paris Hilton is SUCH a Hooker....lol....

Sorry I had to get that out of the way....now, I totally agree with everything you are saying, and I know from experience that if you play the 'dumb blonde' card, guys take you as just that, and any sort of respect a guy may have had for you flies right out the door.

When I was in high school, I was that kid that flitted from clique to clique trying my best to fit into everyone's 'picture perfect' categories. I wore a size six and was five foot six and I thought I was a sasquatch/wookie beast...now, I look back at pictures of myself with my husband and we can't imagine number one, how I possibly thought that my anorexic looking size sixness was huge/ugly, and number two, why I was SO DESPERATE TO FIT IN that I acted like the no-brain cheerleader type to get attention...

Now that I am a little older, and have been through some serious crap due to my naieve behavior (even tho my momma done raised me better...) I know that most guys, if not most people find that a strong independent, yet soft, and intellegent woman is now the REAL it girl...

What MTV and Paris Hookerface are trying to sell us is something that is not beautiful, and not natural, and NO ONE should ever have been or continue to be measure to that standard...

*hugs all the real kids out there*

PMS DarkAngel
10-17-2006, 06:11 PM
Oh and by the way, I was a Band geek (still am), in Army JROTC, and in a Technology club too...

I got nominated for homecoming Queen once...stick THAT in your pipe, you jerkface pop-princess wannabes.....

Genghis Is My Homeboy
10-17-2006, 08:36 PM
Yeah mine too...and that's why I hate being in school because I see this girl who was pretty smart in grade school and now she is acting like she's stupid...

I don't get it...I'm just glad that I have 2 classes this semester and 3 next semester

My old best friend is one of those smart to stupid girls. I can't stand her. I rarely find any down to earth girls at my school.

And also proving the 'guys will usually take the intelligence over beauty' theory, they usually will. In all honesty (I'm not being hypercritical of myself, I'm not self concious or anything) I'm not that pretty (at least in a traditional sense). I don't have big boobs, a nice butt, a curvy body, or platinum blonde hair, but majority of guys tell me they wish they could find a girl who's as smart as I am (I've been taken for the last 1 1/2 years) and most guys at my high school are pretty shallow, so that's really saying something.

Genghis Is My Homeboy
10-17-2006, 08:42 PM
Oh and by the way, I was a Band geek (still am), in Army JROTC, and in a Technology club too...

I got nominated for homecoming Queen once...stick THAT in your pipe, you jerkface pop-princess wannabes.....

YAY! BAND GEEKS UNITE!!! (I play clarinet and sax, and then bass guitar for jazz band)

Rip
10-18-2006, 08:32 AM
Homecomming was so rigged at my school it was great, oh the nomination process was normal enough I suppose, but the actual selection was done by a couple faculty so it was really funny. Two of my friends ended up being king and queen, the girl was reasonably intelligent, mostly AP classes. The guy everyone knew but it wasn't for being a jock or anything. He was incredibly smart, all AP classes - 1600 SAT, 5s on all the AP tests he took (and he took a ton), currently in Harvard - and nearly as fast as me with the rubik's cube :p Really a bit of a goofball in terms of coordination thou - but a funny guy. In terms of popular though, yea some of the dumb girls were there, but that thing seemed to be on the way out in my HS, being in honors / AP classes is a good thing, and girls with a brain on their shoulders wern't being shunned by any means. Hey us guys are a bunch of techie dorks, smart is in :D
(Here's an interesting experiment - ask people if they have a kid would they rather them be beautiful or intelligent - see what the responses are, I can tell you which way my school was lopsided for the most part)

Fayth
10-18-2006, 11:59 PM
When i was in high school it was cool to be smart. The really popular girls were all hot, on the dance team, or some other sports team (yes, cheerleaders too) and they were in all AP classes making straight A's.

As far as the rest goes...I played with Barbies when i was little...and ever longer than that, but I dont think i ever held myself to that standard. I never wanted to be 6 foot, first of all. And sometimes I like to go out with my friends and have fun, telling people that a skirt is 'hott' or giggling like an idiot. I dont think I compromise my intelligence though. Sometimes its just fun to relax and not have a serious conversation. And as much as my parents hate it, I've decided that I want to stay home and be a housewife: cook, clean, take care of the kids and...yes, say 'thats hott'.

Sure its true that many girls lose sight of what is important, but dont always judge the person exclaiming 'thats hott'. I will admit that I lack a little common sense, and maybe theres where people figure I can bw described as a ditzy blonde. Maybe if the public schools of today were so...horrible, the girls would have higher self esteem. And maybe one day the flaws of our public school system will be fixed...

Anyway, I dont know where I was going with all this. But I see more and more girls these days who dont give into the ideals. Maybe there is a hope for our women, and obviously by the posts in this thread, there are many people who dont think beauty is everything. Of corse, like they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Even someone who isnt a "traditional" beauty can look gorgeous in their intelligence.

PMS HateMaker
10-19-2006, 09:41 AM
Band geeks rule! Well, I wasn't in band I was in orchestra but I hung out with the band geeks! lol

Genghis Is My Homeboy
10-19-2006, 12:46 PM
I'm in marching band, pep band and concert band XD Band and theater people are my favorites.