How it seems things are done

[bigdaddy13619]

I have sat back and watched as well as participated in a number of practices on both sides of the board and have noticed that alot of the people in both factions have turned this all into a popularity contest. What happened to the brotherhood/sisterhood this clan is supposed to be about. Why is it we have clanmates deleting people because they play with other people from time to time. I was under the assumption that PMS/H2O was suposed to be a big family not a group of people that have segregated themselves by sex. It is painful to see a grioup that it so headstrong in equal rights for gamers both girls and guys, have people in there ranks that want to push other members out all because of who they may play zombies with or who they might pal around with in MW2. Hopefully those who have become a child and gone back to elementary school with the school yard games will someday grow up and realize it's just a game and people can be friends with out it being seriously misconstrued to be something else. Jealousy is one of the deadly sins of the world and there seems to be alot of it going around.

[Famous]

I noticed that alot of the people in both factions have turned this all into a popularity contest.

I had no idea.

[H2O Gotham]

So wait, people don't always subscribe to the utopic vision you've put forward?!?! Unheard of! Ok, but seriously, I think you are reading too much into things, and further than that it's unreasonable to ask people to get along with everyone else at all times, setting aside preferences, so on and so forth. I suggest to you, that you chill with those you get along with, you aren't always going to get along with everyone. Tis impossible.

[PMS Strawberry]

I have sat back and watched as well as participated in a number of practices on both sides of the board and have noticed that alot of the people in both factions have turned this all into a popularity contest. What happened to the brotherhood/sisterhood this clan is supposed to be about. Why is it we have clanmates deleting people because they play with other people from time to time. I was under the assumption that PMS/H2O was suposed to be a big family not a group of people that have segregated themselves by sex. It is painful to see a grioup that it so headstrong in equal rights for gamers both girls and guys, have people in there ranks that want to push other members out all because of who they may play zombies with or who they might pal around with in MW2. Hopefully those who have become a child and gone back to elementary school with the school yard games will someday grow up and realize it's just a game and people can be friends with out it being seriously misconstrued to be something else. Jealousy is one of the deadly sins of the world and there seems to be alot of it going around.

Clearly, this thread is just conveying the depth of your frustration with someone or some people...I took the liberty of reading this a few times to understand some of it and may I point out that NOBODY here on these forums knows what or who you are talking about, except the people involved, thus making this thread irrelevant to us? Wouldn't it make more sense to PM this to the people involved, rather than post it in the most popular section of our forums? I would suggest that, because quite frankly, there IS equality in this community and there ISN'T segregation between sexes here.

[H2O Gotham]

"Hopefully those who have become a child and gone back to elementary school with the school yard games will someday grow up and realize it's just a game and people can be friends with out it being seriously misconstrued to be something else. Jealousy is one of the deadly sins of the world and there seems to be alot of it going around. "

My favorite part of this thread by far, by far.

[H2O Phury]

Clearly, this thread is just conveying the depth of your frustration with someone or some people...I took the liberty of reading this a few times to understand some of it and may I point out that NOBODY here on these forums knows what or who you are talking about, except the people involved, thus making this thread irrelevant to us? Wouldn't it make more sense to PM this to the people involved, rather than post it in the most popular section of our forums? I would suggest that, because quite frankly, there IS equality in this community and there ISN'T segregation between sexes here.

Hey, can I join H3 PMS? XD

[bigdaddy13619]

Ironically enough it is all 360 players that have commented on it, come to the dark side and play on the ps3 and you will all see what i am talking about. And It isn't to be directed at just one set select set of people. The Division will know who they are when they read it and lets see how many of them comment and I will assure the ones who are the most guilty will not comment guaranteed

[Mamafirefly]

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[H2O Phury]

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[Lady Harmony NJ]

...there ISN'T segregation between sexes here.
Hey, can I join H3 PMS? XD

That's definitely pushing it. PMS is an all-girl clan, just as H2O is an all-guy clan. To complain about segregation on this level is just reaching for something to complain about.

In regards to the topic as a whole, I have personally not witnessed any issues. Of course some people get along better than others. Of course there are groups of people that play together. Did you really expect to join a group this large and expect to like and get along with everyone the same? I have yet to meet a girl in PMS that I really don't like, but I have my girls that I LOVE and I would (and have) kick people out of my party to bring them in, because they're my girls. It's human nature to like and get along with some people more than others. Being that you posted a very vague complaint in a section that anyone can see, it's hard to get your point.

[H2O Phury]

That's definitely pushing it. PMS is an all-girl clan, just as H2O is an all-guy clan. To complain about segregation on this level is just reaching for something to complain about.

In regards to the topic as a whole, I have personally not witnessed any issues. Of course some people get along better than others. Of course there are groups of people that play together. Did you really expect to join a group this large and expect to like and get along with everyone the same? I have yet to meet a girl in PMS that I really don't like, but I have my girls that I LOVE and I would (and have) kick people out of my party to bring them in, because they're my girls. It's human nature to like and get along with some people more than others. Being that you posted a very vague complaint in a section that anyone can see, it's hard to get your point.
I wasn't being serious, it was just a joke. :mvgiggle:

[PMS NJ]

You got me confused right about here. :mvconfused:

And It isn't to be directed at just one set select set of people. The Division will know who they are when they read it and lets see how many of them comment and I will assure the ones who are the most guilty will not comment guaranteed

Not directed towards a set of people but a certain division will know who they are when they read this? :mvshock:

Like someone has already stated above, confront the people involved. Maybe talk to the division head. Posting like this will just lead to more ostracizing on your part.

Oh, and about the Xbox people replying, I think it's because mostly we all get along.

[Kuro]

Looks like mainly the 360 division is reading this and replying to it. I know what you've seen bigdaddy and I've seen it too. There is a lot of drama and so forth between just guys, between just girls, and between both guys and girls together. But we can't solve everything. This is their own problems.

I mean, I joined in on a PMS practice and was told to get out just because of one of our H2O member messing things up a couple months ago. it screws us all over. But w/e u know? I just play with the girls and guys I have on my friends list.

And this is why I don't usually have a mic on, because I know everyone argues and I stay away from that. I just play.

[H2O Oh Malley]

Whenever you get lots of people together, there are going to be conflict issues. Some groups are going to be buddy-buddy and very exclusive to other people joining the group. And there are going to be people who just don't like each other. It's human nature. But as long as everyone remains civil/tolerant in their actions and then it's fine. If some people are going to be drama llamas, well, that's going to happen too. If you don't like it, find other people to play with. You don't have to subject yourself to it if you really don't want to. Confront those involved or report it to those according to the Chain of Command. Don't use this passive aggressive tactic to gain attention and try to make everyone look bad with vague references.

[CajunH2O]

uh oh.....Cajun is about to make one of "those posts"

While I agree complaining about male/female segregation here is just looking for something to gripe about (come on...PMS is all girl, H2O is all guy....we as a brother/sister group come together as one family) I will say I do agree everything else has become a popularity contest. Anyone who claims they havent seen it is either....one of those with special treatment because their nose is browner than any dirt in the world, those who are blind, or those who are just plain in denial. Experience/seniority/dedication doesnt seem to hold any weight here. Instead you have people filling positions that is supposed to require a lot of activity esp in the forums yet you never see them on or even posting. People who got their "popularity/positions based on who they know or who they are with(sometimes both) etc etc. IVe seen and been fed up with it for a while but Ive kept my mouth shut mainly because, as history will show, when I post on such matters I seem to get out of hand with it. And as 6 year member( as of January of this year baby) ive started a new approach of perseverance. Although this post will probaly draw heat and as usual...I dont care....I speak my mind and everyone knows this. I may be a lot of things but Im not a liar and I will say my piece. All I can say is that one day enough people will start to crawl out of their denial shells and not stand for the crap that tends to take place....even in blatant disregard to the handbook we are all supposed to hold so dear...and when it does...those like me who ahve persevered and waited for justice to be served will be there to help pick up the pieces so this clan can reachieve its former glory that has been lost due to heads being turned, alliances formed, and rules broken.........and it will be LEGEN......wait for it......DARY!!!!!!!!! (PS....until that day I love the clan and what it stands for...just hope issues are fixed...soon.)

[Punk Muffin PMS]

I was under the assumption that PMS/H2O was suposed to be a big family not a group of people that have segregated themselves by sex.

I mean, I joined in on a PMS practice and was told to get out just because of one of our H2O member messing things up a couple months ago. it screws us all over. But w/e u know? I just play with the girls and guys I have on my friends list.

I've always wondered why people get/seem upset when they're not allowed at a practice for the opposite gender, not counting co-ed of course. There shouldn't be any reason to be upset.

There could be many reasons why the opposite gender is not allowed in practices. It could be a previous incident(this is why I used Kuro's quote, I realize he's not upset :) ), it could be Division Leader discretion, or it could simply be the fact that, let's use PMS, the PMS ladies might want an all female practice.

PMS is an all female clan. That's the way I've always heard about PMS. It's an all girls clan. I never even knew what the H2Os were til after I joined. But I didn't join PMS hoping to game with guys. I have met tons of awesome H2Os, that I game with or talk to regularly. 95% of the time though, I game with them outside of my Gears practices. It doesn't mean we don't ever meet in practices, but generally, they respect and understand that I probably won't invite them or that I might have to ask them to leave during practice. That to me, still shows support, which is what we are supposed to do for each other.

People compare the clan to a family. Okay....I love my younger brother dearly. And luckily, we're close enough in age that we do have a mutual circle of friends. I love to hang out with him and vice versa. But there are times that we don't hang out together. If he's got a party that I'm not invited to, I'm not gonna go. A couple times, he's had to ditch hanging out with me to go do something else. It doesn't mean we don't care or love each other any less. It just means we'll hang out later.

[Piczel]

there IS equality in this community and there ISN'T segregation between sexes here.

I would disagree with that.. Don't ask why because my explanation always gets thrown back at me and get told that I'm wrong. xoxox

[PMS Sissy]

Honestly, wherever you go there will be Cliques...the workplace, school, online. And you don't even have to be in grade school either. It's really not just a juvenile behavior...I'm sure it happens at Nursing homes as well lol. The thing is, it's perfectly natural to fall into a clique...if you enjoy someones company, why not spend the most time with them? It's impossible to be best friends with everyone in the clan (H2O/PMS). The only thing you can do is be courteous to the people you don't see much of and play nice. Unfortunately, that may not happen most of the time...some people will inevitably get nasty... but you have to roll with the punches. That's Life!!

[bigdaddy13619]

Cajun H2O you seem to be the only one on here who gets what i am saying about this whole mess and yes this post was designed to open some eyes of some people around the ps3 side of the MW2 division where a lot of the handbook rules are being shattered and innocent people are being brought into it. I like your self have joined the clan because of the integrity it comands but it seems the integrity hasgone out of the window, I get the fact that Pms is all girls and h2o is all guys, and practice are to be segregated as such, there is no issue there but what i do have an issue with is why is it when someone goes against the handbook forms a relationship with someone else cross the two clans, the relationship goes south then all of a sudden there are like 5 people that are being ostracized completly by the rest of the "Clique/division" I myself am not personally involved in the situation, but i happen to have some close friends who are. Again Cajun H2O I am glad that there are others out there that seem to notice all the BS going on around here. For all of those who couldn't seem to put 2 and 2 together now you have as much of whats going on with out me giving away the privacy of those involved

[Gypsyfly PMS]

Cajun H2O you seem to be the only one on here who gets what i am saying about this whole mess and yes this post was designed to open some eyes of some people around the ps3 side of the MW2 division where a lot of the handbook rules are being shattered and innocent people are being brought into it. I like your self have joined the clan because of the integrity it comands but it seems the integrity hasgone out of the window, I get the fact that Pms is all girls and h2o is all guys, and practice are to be segregated as such, there is no issue there but what i do have an issue with is why is it when someone goes against the handbook forms a relationship with someone else cross the two clans, the relationship goes south then all of a sudden there are like 5 people that are being ostracized completly by the rest of the "Clique/division" I myself am not personally involved in the situation, but i happen to have some close friends who are. Again Cajun H2O I am glad that there are others out there that seem to notice all the BS going on around here. For all of those who couldn't seem to put 2 and 2 together now you have as much of whats going on with out me giving away the privacy of those involved

That first statement is pretty generalized to the whole clan or at least implied that this deals with the whole clan as it is posted in the General section instead of directed to leaders of PS3. Also as a recruit(as I assume, unless you are waiting for rights, or just played with those in the clan), apparently speaking for friends who are actually involved in this "situation" I would suggest that you tell them to direct the issue to their leaders as this is a division issue and NOT a wide clan issue.

As for the second highlighted issue. I'm not sure if you mean relationship, as in dating relationship or friendship. This is not a free edating club, so no it is not allowed because it DOES cause issues in the division when things go "south" as you said. The only stipulation is if a PMS or H2O were already involved before joining (dating/married). Regardless, we ask that no one flaunt the fact that they may be dating if they do. Anyway, this is not eHarmony:mvwink:

If you mean friendship relationship...for many years and across many divisions many PMS and H2O's have formed drama free relationships and that has been happening for awhile. It isn't a norm for major issues like the one you are describing (but you have to have experience in the clan and across many division to have some perspective and understand that). Thus this is an issue that should be directed to leaders of PS3.

I am closing this thread as it has and surely will become a platform for some to rant about favoritism and so on. Plus, it is a division issue. Not an issue that should be out there for every community member. General clan issues go to PMS H2O General Discussion.