Sex and video games discussion

[H2O sinper hezine]

Sex and video games discussion
Now before I begin I would highly suggest that, you read this Adult Films Push For Presence on Gaming Consoles (http://kotaku.com/5354956/adult-films-push-for-presence-on-gaming-consoles?skyline=true&s=x) post and watch this video kirithem: Video games and sex (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFywW99Uvwc&feature=channel_page)

I’m pretty sure we all know how video game and sex are looked upon with recently things such as the hot coffee mod and the mass effect sex simulator. Although that didn’t stop some developers from trying to come close to it, such as with god of war ((which surprisingly didn’t get any heat About its play time)) indigo prophecy … ok let me rephrase, games that got close which DIDN’T have sex as it main selling point.

However this may all change when recent pushes by Vivid, one of the world largest Adult films company, who are trying to get their HD videos on to the playstation network. However their not planning on stopping there as they want to extend all the way to Xbox and Wii ((if possible)) for their business. Wii jokes aside. If this goes through what does this mean for Game developers and us gamers as well? Will we start to see video games that attempt to touch up on emotional bounds like movies, and take another step away from idea that video games are primary for children, or will just be another nail in the coffin for industrial? Feel free to weight in any way you want. I’m interested to see who people feel about this all together.

[H2O SuperMcNasty]

I seriously don't think Adult stuff should be on any consoles. You really think that a age verification can hold anybody back on any console. Seriously? It too many kids below the age of 13 playing games that for mature audience already, there no way that age verification can stop them from adult section either. This isn't a good idea in my opinion.

Now, I doubt Wii do this at all. Wii try hard enough to keep everything in Everyone Rating already. You think they will let a adult section on Wii, I doubt, but I could be wrong. Xbox and Ps3 I would expect, but the Wii has a good imagine for kids and I think it should be kept like that at least. I love the Wii personally, It fun to move around and pretend you are really doing the stuff. If they do go with this, just do not put on Wii. This console is more for Little kids at least and putting a adult section on it makes it look bad.

[Helluva]

I disagree with "Wii is more for little kids". There are a handful of old folks who purchase this console just for themselves. If anything, the Wii console is more of a family orientated console than the xbox 360, ps3 consoles, and not just for "little kids."

[Blue Rose PMS]

It is about parental control and monitoring. Parents should know what their children are doing, playing and watching. I'm not going to say that Microsoft, Nintendo or Sony should not have adult content on their systems because there are adult members of the proper age of concent and if a 25 year old wants to watch an adult movie, he or she has the right because they are an adult. For the 13 year old users, their parents should be monitoring their usage in regards to time spent and content viewed. If a parent does not want their child subjected to the opportunity to view adult material, do not buy them a gold subscription or do not give your credit card to purchase movies. I doubt that vivid will have the graphic images directly on the cover or have "peek videos". This may not be the happy answer people want to hear (specially from a woman) but there is an age verification for a reason. If a 13 year old states they are legal, then views such material, the system company cannot be blaimed nor held legally responsibile. When a parent keeps their credit card on file for an account, the same as above. They can buy their child points instead of leaving a card on file.

With this great invention of the internet, with a simple search you can find various forms of adult entertainment. To ban it from a console, you should also agree to ban it from the internet because it is even easier for a minor to view such content than it would be on a console.

In regards to the wii, check your wii arcade games carefully. There is a bikini strip card game available for purchase. While no nudity, it gets the point across.

[H2O SuperMcNasty]

I disagree with "Wii is more for little kids". There are a handful of old folks who purchase this console just for themselves. If anything, the Wii console is more of a family orientated console than the xbox 360, ps3 consoles, and not just for "little kids."

Ok, Maybe I agree with that, but still you think there should be Adult content on Wii?

[H2O SuperMcNasty]

With this great invention of the internet, with a simple search you can find various forms of adult entertainment. To ban it from a console, you should also agree to ban it from the internet because it is even easier for a minor to view such content than it would be on a console.

It wouldn't be that easy to ban it from the Internet, If they did I would agree to ban it from internet. It already bad that it all over the internet, but to move it over to Console come on now.

[PMS Atiyana]

I agree with Blue Rose. Kids have access to a load of "adult" material in other forms, and parents should monitor and regulate what kids see if they are concerned.

I am not really interested in playing games like what Vivid may have available, but I would like to see more story arc in games... like in movies - sort of like what Lionhead attempted with Fable 2- and sometimes that may mean adding more intriguing material... The age of gamers is increasing anyway... they say the average age is like, what, 30 now?

[H2O sinper hezine]

Ok to clarify a few things. Vividi is not trying to get an adult game on the console ((not yet anyway)) they just want to sell their movies.

What i was pointing in this discussion is where we going to see more game like Leisure suit larry, and the guy game should Vivid get their way, or will it lead to more moment in games like Indigo prophecy or Mass effect in which the character showed their affection for each other... because they for one reason or another they as if they were coming to the end of the line, or were close to it.

as far as my opinion goes, i don't care if happens are not, i'm more interested in who it would affect game developers and us gamers. let go ahead and face it, we already have a bad rep, in just about everyone view that isn't a gamer, and it's worst if your above the appropriate "age" for video games.

quite frankly if this does happen i hope developer take chance and take another step, toward storytelling that we normally see in movie, like they did with Max Payne.

[H2O Phury]

It wouldn't be that easy to ban it from the Internet, If they did I would agree to ban it from internet. It already bad that it all over the internet, but to move it over to Console come on now.

You would ban it from the internet if you could? Who are you to judge what should and shouldn't be on the internet or consoles? I agree tho that parents should have an easy way to monitor and block things they find offensive for their kids but anything else is unnecessary censorship. People in this country are way to sensitive towards sexual images, sex in general is a means of creating happiness. Whereas killing people in games is completely fine to the gaming masses. I have always held the belief: "If you don't like it, don't buy it." If a game developer wants to risk creating a game that will have an obvious stigma and put it in the gaming world, then so be it. To come to a point of suggesting unjustified censorship in any means is pathetic. I just can't understand people who dislike something so much that they would move to keep it from people who enjoy it (Gay marriage, Mature video games, rights over their own body.) The more we move towards this line of thought the more we fail as a society and a species.

[SND Zag1]

In short, I would say the rating system is there for a reason.

As for the developers of games that contain pretty explicit stuff, what's the point of that? Same with movies. If it doesn't drive the plot or story, isn't it a bit gratuitous and not worth the while? I find sex as fascinating as the next guy, but games like GTA, in my opinion, are way too sexually oriented.

Not the kind of games I like to play. Not on consoles anyway. ;)

[PMS Nitemare]

There are two sides to look at this as a business and as a consumer. On the business front Vivid would most likely double there profit while entering the console world for videos and games. There have been games from the past such as Playboy: The Mansion that used its imagery to appeal to a mass male audience. Ratings were started for a reason and it's up to the parents to regulate and use them. Video games were a form that was primarily for children, but that has dramatically change with adults being the ones primarily playing them or using them for music/videos.

[Blue Rose PMS]

It wouldn't be that easy to ban it from the Internet, If they did I would agree to ban it from internet. It already bad that it all over the internet, but to move it over to Console come on now.

For that it comes to personal preference. If you do not like adult movies and such, then you do not have to watch/purchase them. I am sure that Sony won't have Vivid movies on the front page for anyone to see - you will have to go searching for them. But as you do not want to see them, if I am of legal age and wish to view such movies, then it is my right to do as such. The adult entertainment industry is a huge when it comes to profit. It can even be said that a huge portion of the internet and technology for the internet is because of the adult industry. It is also reported that the reason Blueray DVDs won out over HD DVDis from the backing of the Adult movie industry.

In today's business world, sex sells, let's be honest. While the console companies do so much for minors, they also see the market available for adult movies and when looking for the competitive edge, it would be in their best financial interest to start adding adult movies. While I'm sure some people may turn their back on a company for including adult movies, the increase in sales they will obtain will far outweigh the loss.

[H2O SuperMcNasty]

You would ban it from the internet if you could? Who are you to judge what should and shouldn't be on the internet or consoles? I agree tho that parents should have an easy way to monitor and block things they find offensive for their kids but anything else is unnecessary censorship. People in this country are way to sensitive towards sexual images, sex in general is a means of creating happiness. Whereas killing people in games is completely fine to the gaming masses. I have always held the belief: "If you don't like it, don't buy it." If a game developer wants to risk creating a game that will have an obvious stigma and put it in the gaming world, then so be it. To come to a point of suggesting unjustified censorship in any means is pathetic. I just can't understand people who dislike something so much that they would move to keep it from people who enjoy it (Gay marriage, Mature video games, rights over their own body.) The more we move towards this line of thought the more we fail as a society and a species.

I'm not judging anything at all, I am giving my opinion so know what your saying there coach. If I am judging well then that just how I feel, so you couldn't change that about me coach. If I feel it shouldn't be on console well that what I am going say, I am not going to agree with you just because you feel that way. Who are you tell me what I am judging huh coach?

I am just saying Keep this stuff away from Wii, if they do go through with it.

[H2O sinper hezine]

It is also reported that the reason Blueray DVDs won out over HD DVDis from the backing of the Adult movie industry.


that is only half right. originally Sony say no porn or anything of that sort on blueray, it wasn't untill they were remind of VHS vs Beta did they change their mind.

VHS vs Beta was basically the same thing only with tapes instead of cd.

Out of the two Beta was the Superior, it had better video and sound quality but lost out to VHS because they refused to have porn on their tapes.

Now for this event to play itself out in anyway or form again. Vivid or another company will have to be talking to Microsoft. other wise it might now happen at all.

[Helluva]

I'm not judging anything at all, I am giving my opinion so know what your saying there coach. If I am judging well then that just how I feel, so you couldn't change that about me coach. If I feel it shouldn't be on console well that what I am going say, I am not going to agree with you just because you feel that way. Who are you tell me what I judging huh coach?

I am just saying Keep this stuff away from Wii, if they do go through with it.
Phury's a coach?

[H2O TheChosen1]

there are adult members of the proper age of concent and if a 25 year old wants to watch an adult movie, he or she has the right because they are an adult.

thats what sex shops / adult sections / Mr. Skin / Redtube etc etc are for.... its true the main purpose of the consoles is to ENTERTAIN people, but not at that extend... if that ever happens, it would only affect the gaming community, because a good percentage of players around the world are under 18, and most of the parents, knowing those kids could watch something innaproppiate on their consoles, will restrict the use of their respective consoles.

[H2O sinper hezine]

hit the back button to back to the thread after posting only to double post instead... sorry.

[Blue Rose PMS]

thats what sex shops / adult sections / Mr. Skin / Redtube etc etc are for.... its true the main purpose of the consoles is to ENTERTAIN people, but not at that extend... if that ever happens, it would only affect the gaming community, because a good percentage of players around the world are under 18, and most of the parents, knowing those kids could watch something innaproppiate on their consoles, will restrict the use of their respective consoles.

Gaming consoles are more than just gaming, they are now about entertaining people in all aspects, including "that extent." Using Microsoft, they included MSN through the system and soon will be including facebook and twitter. We are basically looking at a variation of a computer with more gaming abilities. Parents will have the ability to block the movies or anything adult related, just as they can put controls on what someone plays now. If a parent goes on "freak out mode" and bans a child from playing on a PS3 because they offer adult movies, I'm sorry to tell you but it already has the ability.

[H2O SuperMcNasty]

Phury's a coach?

You know how people are saying Whats up Dude or other stuff. Well, Coach is my saying I'm always saying What up Coach to people. Everybody always saying who is coach but you understand what I'm saying.

[H2O TheChosen1]

Out of the two Beta was the Superior, it had better video and sound quality but lost out to VHS because they refused to have porn on their tapes.

thats actually not true, VHS won vs Beta because it was cheaper, people at that time preffered something that was cheaper rather than a little better quality but more expensive... On the Blu-ray - HD battle quality won against price, this was really rare, but something that helped was the ps3 "price friendly" because the reason most of the people who decided to get a ps3 while the battle was going on was because of its ability to play blu-rays not to use it as a game console... if you compared at the time the blu-ray was battling against hd, an actual blu-ray player costed around 1k dollars, while hd players were around $600,
but the ps3 was cheaper than that, although the blu-ray discs were $20 more than HDs pleople decided to use advantage of the ps3's ability to play games and blu-rays..

Btw, currently blu-ray sales are reaching bottom, meaning they are not doing good, probably because of the bad
economic times, which hd would probably be doing better if it still existed

[H2O TheChosen1]

Gaming consoles are more than just gaming, they are now about entertaining people in all aspects, including "that extent." Using Microsoft, they included MSN through the system and soon will be including facebook and twitter. We are basically looking at a variation of a computer with more gaming abilities. Parents will have the ability to block the movies or anything adult related, just as they can put controls on what someone plays now. If a parent goes on "freak out mode" and bans a child from playing on a PS3 because they offer adult movies, I'm sorry to tell you but it already has the ability.
Not everyone knows this though, as of consoles being more than just gaming, that's true, but if an adult wants to watch sex tapes, they have millions of other places to watch it, allowing adult movies to be played on any console will, as I said affect the gaming community, not just for the reason I said, but others as well

[H2O Phury]

I'm not judging anything at all, I am giving my opinion so know what your saying there coach. If I am judging well then that just how I feel, so you couldn't change that about me coach. If I feel it shouldn't be on console well that what I am going say, I am not going to agree with you just because you feel that way. Who are you tell me what I am judging huh coach?

I am just saying Keep this stuff away from Wii, if they do go through with it.

Saying something is too explicit to be on a certain console or shouldn't be on the internet is judging it. Just because everyone is entitled to their opining doesn't mean yours is a good one. What is so hard about just choosing not to watch it?

[H2O SuperMcNasty]

Saying something is too explicit to be on a certain console or shouldn't be on the internet is judging it. Just because everyone is entitled to their opining doesn't mean yours is a good one. What is so hard about just choosing not to watch it?

I never said mine was better, you assume I did. Where in my sentence did I say mine was better. You assume too much coach. Whether it good opinion or not doesn't mean I got go along with everyone else. Whether it opinion or Judgement, that just how I feel so why do you care so much?

A console is toy and meant for games to me. That what I believe, that my choice. Whatever you believe is you, I could careless about coach.

[H2O Phury]

I never said mine was better, you assume I did. Where in my sentence did I say mine was better. You assume too much coach. Whether it good opinion or not doesn't mean I got go along with everyone else. Whether it opinion or Judgement, that just how I feel so why do you care so much?

A console is toy and meant for games to me. That what I believe, that my choice. Whatever you believe is you, I could careless about coach.

Speaking of assuming, I never said that yours was worse I just said it wasn't good. Maybe you should read it a bit more closely before arguing a point that doesn't make any sense. Calling a video game a toy is the same as calling a speed boat a toy. It's in the hands of the owner to decide what it's for. So you can buy as many clean Wii or 360 games as you want to. But in the end you have no right to extend your "opinion" over anyone else.

[H2O Jordan]

You would ban it from the internet if you could? Who are you to judge what should and shouldn't be on the internet or consoles? I agree tho that parents should have an easy way to monitor and block things they find offensive for their kids but anything else is unnecessary censorship. People in this country are way to sensitive towards sexual images, sex in general is a means of creating happiness. Whereas killing people in games is completely fine to the gaming masses. I have always held the belief: "If you don't like it, don't buy it." If a game developer wants to risk creating a game that will have an obvious stigma and put it in the gaming world, then so be it. To come to a point of suggesting unjustified censorship in any means is pathetic. I just can't understand people who dislike something so much that they would move to keep it from people who enjoy it (Gay marriage, Mature video games, rights over their own body.) The more we move towards this line of thought the more we fail as a society and a species.

Jesse so hows Cali ;)

[H2O SuperMcNasty]

Speaking of assuming, I never said that yours was worse I just said it wasn't good. Maybe you should read it a bit more closely before arguing a point that doesn't make any sense. Calling a video game a toy is the same as calling a speed boat a toy. It's in the hands of the owner to decide what it's for. So you can buy as many clean Wii or 360 games as you want to. But in the end you have no right to extend your "opinion" over anyone else.

How am I extend my opinion coach? How?
You are Assume Coach!!
I wasn't trying prove too much of point, Assuming as always, just stating what I feel. If I feel it toy what give you right say I can't say it toy to me?

It like you saying I can't say anything I want too? Who Are You to say I have no Right Coach? You need shut that **** up buddy.

[H2O Phury]

How am I extend my opinion coach? How?
You are Assume Coach!!
I wasn't trying prove too much of point, Assuming as always, just stating what I feel. If I feel it toy what give you right say I can't say it toy to me?

It like you saying I can't say anything I want too? Who Are You to say I have no Right Coach? You need shut that **** up buddy.

Calling me Coach as some sort of insult is pathetic. I never said you couldn't call it a toy, if you read what I wrote you would see I said it's the owner who decides what it's for, you included. You extended your opinion by suggesting that it shouldn't be on a certain console or the internet. By which you take the option for other to decide if they want to play/watch it themselves.

[H2O SuperMcNasty]

Calling me Coach as some sort of insult is pathetic. I never said you couldn't call it a toy, if you read what I wrote you would see I said it's the owner who decides what it's for, you included. You extended your opinion by suggesting that it shouldn't be on a certain console or the internet. By which you take the option for other to decide if they want to play/watch it themselves.

Coach is not a insult, It sort of like Dude. So get that straight Coach.

If you took it like I'm not going say sorry, but that not how it was suppose to be taken. If that how you took then fine by me. Stop trying get too deep with it.

[H2O Phury]

Coach is not a insult, It sort of like Dude. So get that straight Coach.

If you took it like I'm not going say sorry, but that not how it was suppose to be taken. If that how you took then fine by me. Stop trying get too deep with it.

It was only a off-hand comment, I'd rather you respond the substantive part of my reply.

[Blue Rose PMS]

Gentlemen, please stick to the topic.

[Kestral H2O]

I don't think there's enough IMO

[H2O sinper hezine]

Well to try and add more wood to the fire Vivid move was more or less a copycat move of Japan's DDM.TV which is some kind of tv station that shows porn, it is currently available to anyone in japan.

Of course may this may be more or less a sign showing that this move was done before it even begin, if one were to believe it is to go the same route as rapelay
(http://kotaku.com/search/rapelay/)

to give to a brief history of rapelay for those of you who don't know this game, Rapelay is a h-game ((hentai game)) in which you play as a perv, who like to grope girls on the trains, on one of his little ventures he get caught and arrested, angry he decides to get revenge... and the game basically kicks off from there.

now the thing that annoyed me about this game was the fact that it was out or 3 years before this "campaign" against the game even started. with that said how do Vivid actions will fair. While the premise of two are different, i wouldn't be surprised some nit-pickers find some things objectionable in some of either videos.

[H2O DarkKnight 2k6]

Well to try and add more wood to the fire Vivid move was more or less a copycat move of Japan's DDM.TV which is some kind of tv station that shows porn, it is currently available to anyone in japan.


you know people went and searched for this channel after seeing this post lol

on another note, this thread reminds me of the watchmen thread war of 09... wonder where Do You Disco is since its somewhat the same subject again. i for one wouldnt care, if they put porn on PSN or XBL i wouldnt buy it since even with DLC i have to be sure its worth getting and porn for me would just take up space on my HDD's (i dont even rent regular movies). but still it wouldnt bother me just maybe shock me at first but then thats it. besides XBL has somewhat already an adult-ish stuff on there... the anime Ikkitousen is really lots of panty shots and cleavage (least from what i was shown thats what it looked like) anyhoo its parents job to monitor their kids if they dont want them to see that stuff (yet with the great job they doing with just games (some not all)... i smell useless protests coming on)

[H2O SuperMcNasty]

you know people went and searched for this channel after seeing this post lol

on another note, this thread reminds me of the watchmen thread war of 09... wonder where Do You Disco is since its somewhat the same subject again. i for one wouldnt care, if they put porn on PSN or XBL i wouldnt buy it since even with DLC i have to be sure its worth getting and porn for me would just take up space on my HDD's (i dont even rent regular movies). but still it wouldnt bother me just maybe shock me at first but then thats it. besides XBL has somewhat already an adult-ish stuff on there... the anime Ikkitousen is really lots of panty shots and cleavage (least from what i was shown thats what it looked like) anyhoo its parents job to monitor their kids if they dont want them to see that stuff (yet with the great job they doing with just games (some not all)... i smell useless protests coming on)

Even if I don't agree with it somehow I find it stupid to protest against. I doubt protesting will go anywhere on this subject. Like everybody saying it up to parent. :D
Parents are doing wonderful job with games to where you have hear 9 year old on COD4 everyday saying stupid stuff.

I would love to hear PMS Disco and Do you Disco point of view on this, they love this kind of stuff.

[PMS Atiyana]

Even if I don't agree with it somehow I find it stupid to protest against. I doubt protesting will go anywhere on this subject. Like everybody saying it up to parent. :D
Parents are doing wonderful job with games to where you have hear 9 year old on COD4 everyday saying stupid stuff.

I would love to hear PMS Disco and Do you Disco point of view on this, they love this kind of stuff.

Hey London,

I understand why you would be concerned about some of this material coming onto the consoles, and why you would be concerned that some parents are letting their kids play graphic computer games.

However, I think that we need to be sure that we aren't confusing concern with censorship. It is one thing to be concerned about violence or sex in the media and speak up about it, and another thing to think that all types of media that contain those things should be banned.

I sometimes get concerned when I play with young kids with some of these games. However, in the end, the parents are the ones who have to make that decision. If we, as a society, start to take away people's rights to watch or play or engage in certain activities because of our personal feelings, then we are violating other people's rights to enjoy those things.

Yeah, some parents may not care, and others may feel okay with their children playing these games. Ultimately, we cannot fully police everybody. The same parents that may be neglecting what their kids play may be neglecting other aspects of their life that could be more damaging. Or, some parents may think that violence in games is okay... who knows?

The bottom line for me is... Yeah, some of these games are disturbing to me (a perv who goes around raping people... No thank you!) and you won't catch me playing them, but, if another person wants to sit at home without committing a crime and play that game, so be it... (I'll see that they did on XBL anyway! ~ At least I'll know who not to play with :) Seriously, though, what someone does on their own time, to me, is their own business... Otherwise, it becomes a very slippery slope...

[CrispyGiblets]

the more reality to a game the less fun it is some mild stuff like a little less then what they did on mass effect is fine with me but not stuff like in GTA its just too much way too much i personally love when i shoot someone on a game and see a leg fall off friggn AWESOME

[H2O SuperMcNasty]

Hey London,

I understand why you would be concerned about some of this material coming onto the consoles, and why you would be concerned that some parents are letting their kids play graphic computer games.

However, I think that we need to be sure that we aren't confusing concern with censorship. It is one thing to be concerned about violence or sex in the media and speak up about it, and another thing to think that all types of media that contain those things should be banned.


Yea, I Got you. I just seen what adult content can do to people like my little brother. Every since he seen it, He do nothing but talk about it. He doesn't even try go out with girls, he want watch porn which is crazy. He found out about porn when he was about 7 and been a little to addicted to it too much. That why I am acting the way I am over this. I know I am only basing it off one person, but he is my blood though and I got concerns about him watching it too much.

I can't stop him from watching because he use the computer, ps3 internet, and his psp to watch the stuff. I can stop the computer and may be ps3 but not psp. That is his psp and I can't do anything about it.

[CrispyGiblets]

Yea, I Got you. I just seen what adult content can do to people like my little brother. Every since he seen it, He do nothing but talk about it. He doesn't even try go out with girls, he want watch porn which is crazy. He found out about porn when he was about 7 and been a little to addicted to it too much. That why I am acting the way I am over this. I know I am only basing it off one person, but he is my blood though and I got concerns about him watching it too much.

I can't stop from watching because he use the computer, ps3 internet, and his psp to watch the stuff. I can stop the computer and may be ps3 but not psp. That is his psp and I can't do anything about it.

yeah you do have a point but d@mn bro yeah they just shouldnt have too much i can see mildly in some games but like i said not gta kinda stuff thats a bit on the edge

[H2O TheChosen1]

I think that we need to be sure that we aren't confusing concern with censorship. It is one thing to be concerned about violence or sex in the media and speak up about it, and another thing to think that all types of media that contain those things should be banned.

lets make something clear, we aren't saying that "all types of media that contain those things should be banned", you said we need to be sure to not confuse concern with censorship and you're confusing not allowing porn on consoles to ban all media where they show that? O_o

Look, most of the people that are against it are concerned and are not confusing concern with censorship, but are concerned BECAUSE censorship always fails. I agree parents have the obligation to see what their kids are up to.. but now, if a parent knows their kids have no rated m games, they can't even be relaxed because their kids COULD watch something on their VIDEO GAME CONSOLES. I for one, don't have any kids and I'm 20, but just to think that I could see playboy/Maxim/etc ads on the spotlight menu on xbox live makes me sick.. It's true that bringing social networks on the consoles is a good idea, but going as far as porn on our consoles is a really bad idea (even if they censor it, kids always find a way to go over everything, believe me, I was once a kid and had kid friends)

[H2O Phury]

lets make something clear, we aren't saying that "all types of media that contain those things should be banned", you said we need to be sure to not confuse concern with censorship and you're confusing not allowing porn on consoles to ban all media where they show that? O_o

Look, most of the people that are against it are concerned and are not confusing concern with censorship, but are concerned BECAUSE censorship always fails. I agree parents have the obligation to see what their kids are up to.. but now, if a parent knows their kids have no rated m games, they can't even be relaxed because their kids COULD watch something on their VIDEO GAME CONSOLES. I for one, don't have any kids and I'm 20, but just to think that I could see playboy/Maxim/etc ads on the spotlight menu on xbox live makes me sick.. It's true that bringing social networks on the consoles is a good idea, but going as far as porn on our consoles is a really bad idea (even if they censor it, kids always find a way to go over everything, believe me, I was once a kid and had kid friends)

First off, keeping porn and other graphic images off of consoles is censorship. Regardless of comparing it to all other media, it is still wrong. Parents can keep their kids from watching movies on their box and playing mature games, all they need to do is either not buy the kid XBL or set the parental controls on the box.
I have to argue against "most of the people that are against it are concerned and are not confusing concern with censorship" Concerned people would realize there are simple ways to prevent kids from being exposed to it. Advocating keeping it off because they think it is "wrong" is censorship. When you say things like "but going as far as porn on our consoles is a really bad idea" is making it out to seem like it's all over XBL. Like you said, if i kid really wants to see it they will find a way. So why keep adults who pay with their own money from watching it?

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thats what sex shops / adult sections / Mr. Skin / Redtube etc etc are for.... its true the main purpose of the consoles is to ENTERTAIN people, but not at that extend... if that ever happens, it would only affect the gaming community, because a good percentage of players around the world are under 18, and most of the parents, knowing those kids could watch something innaproppiate on their consoles, will restrict the use of their respective consoles.

First off.. Adult bookstores (and etc.) can be very intimidating for people to go to. They offer movies and online stores to deliver products to your home to avoid this nervousness.

Parents need to restrict any use by any electronics in which a child can tap into the internet. I'm sorry but lets put Vivid films aside.. There are major creepers in XBL matchmaking, party chats, etc. waiting to prey on the young ones. (Boys and girls)


Not everyone knows this though, as of consoles being more than just gaming, that's true, but if an adult wants to watch sex tapes, they have millions of other places to watch it, allowing adult movies to be played on any console will, as I said affect the gaming community, not just for the reason I said, but others as well

This will effect the gaming community as much as it does with Netflix. I'm sorry but whether you've noticed or not, there are some sexually explicit movies in there as well.

Netflix is way too easy to start up, without parental controls. Parents don't have to give children their credit cards or money to buy anything.


Saying something is too explicit to be on a certain console or shouldn't be on the internet is judging it. Just because everyone is entitled to their opining doesn't mean yours is a good one. What is so hard about just choosing not to watch it?

I think it's the power of free will. Some people can't control themselves or their children. That's what the problem is with the internet, parental and self control- not the content.


I never said mine was better, you assume I did. Where in my sentence did I say mine was better. You assume too much coach. Whether it good opinion or not doesn't mean I got go along with everyone else. Whether it opinion or Judgement, that just how I feel so why do you care so much?

A console is toy and meant for games to me. That what I believe, that my choice. Whatever you believe is you, I could careless about coach.

I hope you don't own an Xbox 360.. Microsoft was the first to announce "it's not just a gaming system" before it even launched. They have hoop dreams of becoming the largest social network on the internet and made easier by eliminating the hassle of a PC.

Serious, I have the Game Informer and Xbox Mags to prove it. I'm sure Sony and Nintendo in all competitiveness will do the same to keep up on sales.


How am I extend my opinion coach? How?
You are Assume Coach!!
I wasn't trying prove too much of point, Assuming as always, just stating what I feel. If I feel it toy what give you right say I can't say it toy to me?

It like you saying I can't say anything I want too? Who Are You to say I have no Right Coach? You need shut that **** up buddy.

The problem with public profanity is you lose all respect for your argument once you lose your head. You were doing really well and then became personally offended. You had some honest points about this discussion but when you lose your head, people stop listening.



.. now, if a parent knows their kids have no rated m games, they can't even be relaxed because their kids COULD watch something on their VIDEO GAME CONSOLES.

This is the same argument that we back since the roots of even our Clan and community. This has gone back to Lennon and Elvis.

First, kids are kids. I highly doubt that any company will offer free pornographic materials to anyone. Parents have to spend money on Microsoft Points and XBL Live. I was a bad kid, but hey my parents knew that. When I asked for money- it was 20 questions. What, who, when, why.. etc.

This is a great exercise that dates back further than Lennon, but is often neglected in times of now. Although very ancient, this practice is called good parenting.

Parents can control games played, videos watched, messages sent, video chat, party chat and etc. In that respect, they can also pay attention to the fact that they don't know anything about their kids or what they're up to. It's neglect, no matter how small the fracture.

Secondly, I've read the word "ban" and "censorship" so many times in this post I sat in the back of the bus today.