So it begins...

[PMS Anarchy]

So it's all over the news. What you might not be hearing is the real story. The corporate media is lying to the US, Britain and the rest of the western nations about the truth of genocide by Georgia of it's own people. Genocide backed by the western world including the US.

http://www.reuters.com/article/asiaCrisis/idUSLB24029

This conflicts with the corporate media's claim that Russia instigated this massacre.


If you want to believe i am a conspiracy theorist, or that MILLIONS of other people are crazy just like me, thats your prerogative, go to msn.com and read. Either way, this is not good. Not good at all.


To be quite honest..conspiracy or not. This is enough to call my parents over.

[H2O Mexican]

I knew there was something fishy going on.. i haven't ready exactly what happend but i heard about it. But what do you mean enough to call your parents over?

[PMS Anarchy]

Think about it, America attacking Russia through Georgia. Doesn't sound pretty does it?

Other than the fact that George Bush is committing a HUGE war crime, and the fact that all involved countries have Nuclear Weapons, i dont know, i am not really implying anything, just really scares me.

[H2O Mexican]

I agree in my opinion ever since bush was our president stuff hasnt gone right idk just giving out my opinion i hope stuff changes once we get our new president no more stuff that could affect us or even get us back into another war cause if he's doing that thats crazy.

[PMS Anarchy]

America is committing genocide right now, i dont think a different president will really change that. :\

[TheSolaris]

interesting, while i may not know much about the situation. Isn't it diplomatic to see what the majority wants. so if majority wants to leave the georgian government, Shouldn't it be respected?

[H2O Creation]

hold on who ever said russia instigated it, did they not originally go in as peace keepers. georgian troops attacked the people of Ossetia because of their loyalty to russia... so then eventually russia retaliated against georgia to protect the ossetian people... thats how i read it off the news and the papers...

meanwhile by this time nato and everyone under the sun wanted to stick their nose in and george bush well his probably just in it for the oil...

[H2O Mexican]

America is committing genocide right now, i dont think a different president will really change that. :\

Right, im just saying we need one regardless and i wonder who actually started this >.<

[Lindzoo]

America is committing genocide right now, i dont think a different president will really change that. :\

anyone who thinks that the president actually has any power is severely mistaken. The president is just a pawn. The real power lies in the banks- they have all the money and money = power. They control our government and almost every government in the world. That is something to be scared of.

[TXGrunt]

As being a ex member of the US Military and seeing what Reporters can do.. i will say they have very few legit reporters. We had one attached to use for when we went into Fullujah in Nov 2004. He is one of the few i actually have respect for. To many news stories are one sided.

[Black Capone]

Yea. Gotta remember that they show you only what the WANT to show you, so they can get biased opinions.

[Visor2040]

Nobody is going to rescue Georgia, that is their biggest issue right now. They went and pissed off Russia and then they slap them. Now Russia is all the way to Tblisi and NO COUNTRY will help, cuz they know Georgia is to blame.

And this actually helps NATO, with this they can completely dismiss Georgia as a candidate.

[H2O.pry0r]

Anyone here who honestly believes that Bush is to blame for everything, go back to school and learn how the U.S. government works. Without the approval of congress, the president CANNOT do anything. Does anyone here remember when Bush asked for a few hundred billion dollars for the Iraq conflict a few months ago? What happened to that? Congress didn't approve it. Also, if this "media lying" thing comes as a surprise to anyone, have you been living under a rock for the past 6 years? Just look at how the show off Iraq. When is the last time you seen 1 good thing about it? When is the last time you heard about the 300+ schools being built? How about the 100+ colleges being built? Or all the new homes being built to replace what we bombed? The media shows what they want to show, and what they want to show is what gets ratings. Everybody knows the government lies about tons of things, and so does the media. This should come as no surprise to anyone.

[Pez]

The entire situation is so frightening, regardless. :\

[Esty H2O]

This is a very tough situation that we have. It's a very fierce geopolitical conflict where Georgia(For those that don't know, is north of Azerbaijan, Armenia and Turkey), a country strongly supported by the United States is up against a region (South Ossetia) that wants to join with North Ossetia, which is part of the Russian Federation. All the while Georgia wants very strongly to join NATO, but cannot. The reason for that is that to join NATO States that wish to be members cannot have unresolved territorial problems. Georgia has a problem with Ossetia and the region of Abkhazia, which also proclaimed itself a republic. And unfortunately Saakashvili has to resolve those issues to join NATO. US military forces have trained the Georgian military through military exercises, and Countries from the "West" Like the Ukraine have supplied heavy weaponry.

As is always the case in this sort of topic one cannot forget that Georgia is of vital importance from a geopolitical point of view, since thousands of barrels of oil and gas are extracted daily from the Caspian Sean and need to be transported to the Black Sea in order to be brought to the Mediterranean and the rest of the world.

Crazy thing is when the Olympics launched so did the conflict. Funny how the world works huh? It was then that the Georgian army attempted to take the capital of South Ossetia Tskhinvali,trying to do it by suprise. They did this in order to put and end to the movement that wanted to re-unite thise into one country that would form part of the Russian Federation.

In response to this the Kremlin sent tanks and planes to Tskhinvali, in order to avoid its capture by Georgian troops.

But Georgia which declared war in the first place, now insists on a cease-fire to prevent a "Ethnic Cleansing" which would be caused by Russia in it's territory.


Whew....with me so far?

Despite the international community's acceptance of Kosovo's independence and thier want of not wanting to be part of the former Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia NATO will not be so accepting, the reason possibly has to do with the support the United States gives Georgia, and the geostrategic importance of the territory, crossed by oil pipelines that carry oil and gas from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean.

So it's a tough situation for everyone and lots of atrocities are being commited be sure of that, but I've heard some people saying it's our fault and some people saying that Ossetia is getting too big for it's britches. Whatever the case may be, it's going to be a tough situation and can possibly only escalate if Russia and the US cannot decide what they each want to do.

[KingNothing H2O]

There is ZERO chance the US goes to war with Russia. So no point in thinking that. This isn't the cold war anymore and Russia will back off after the international community complains. And the international media isn't that trustworthy in my opinion. They write Anti-USA articles all the time. Some people around the world don't care for us because they have falsely reported different events over the last 60+ yrs. The US media is bad enough but the international is WAY worse.

[Esty H2O]

There is ZERO chance the US goes to war with Russia. So no point in thinking that. This isn't the cold war anymore and Russia will back off after the international community complains. And the international media isn't that trustworthy in my opinion. They write Anti-USA articles all the time. Some people around the world don't care for us because they have falsely reported different events over the last 60+ yrs. The US media is bad enough but the international is WAY worse.

King, your missing the point here. There is no attack of US and Russia. We aren't there to instigate wars, while both sides want to control Georgia, the real threat here is how Georgia itself handles themselves. Ossetia, and Abkhazia need to figure it out. The US is implying that Georgia work it out for itself, and keep it's independence and then of course join NATO. However with both parties currently not knowing what to do, it's at a stale-mate. But the reason Russia Sent troops in is because it wants to protect South Ossetia, because it is strongly supportive of it.


By the way King...just being a A-hole to you. Hahah

[H2O Mexican]

King, your missing the point here. There is no attack of US and Russia. We aren't there to instigate wars, while both sides want to control Georgia, the real threat here is how Georgia itself handles themselves. Ossetia, and Abkhazia need to figure it out. The US is implying that Georgia work it out for itself, and keep it's independence and then of course join NATO. However with both parties currently not knowing what to do, it's at a stale-mate. But the reason Russia Sent troops in is because it wats to protect South Ossetia, because it is strongly supportive of it.


By the way King...just being a A-hole to you. Hahah

You forgot to spell Wants were u said wats to protect South Ossetia.

[Esty H2O]

While the media doesn't always tell us everything the international media does the same thing to a degree. Alot of international countries do not take kindly to Americans for some pretty good reasons (to them at least). In thier words, the US kindly sticks it's nose in others business to protect it's own interests. Most of the time this is the case. Hell it's the reason we messed up with Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Who do you think put him in power? We did during the war against Iran, we gave the country weapons and in turn Saddam Hussein used them against his own people years later. But again we had to rectify things. So it's all up to how you want to look at things.

[H2O Commando]

Think about it, America attacking Russia through Georgia. Doesn't sound pretty does it?

Other than the fact that George Bush is committing a HUGE war crime, and the fact that all involved countries have Nuclear Weapons, i dont know, i am not really implying anything, just really scares me.

Russia is to wussy to come close to war with America. After the Cold War they just wanted to keep their country together.

[PMS MelonZ]

Wwiii

[H2O Commando]

Yep I have a Wii too lolwut

[H2O Tyrant Sparda]

I have a feeling that this conflict will not be over anytime soon....

[Black Capone]

I have a feeling that this conflict will not be over anytime soon....

Want some popcorn?

[H2O Tyrant Sparda]

Want some popcorn?

Got my bag right here lol:mvreallyhappy: mmmm butter.
hmmm just a thought, didn't the 1936 Olympics give way to the second world war?

"In August 1936, Adolf Hitler's Nazi dictatorship scored a huge propaganda success as host of the Summer Olympics in Berlin. The Games were a brief, two-week interlude in Germany's escalating campaign against its Jewish population and the country's march toward war."

Just a thought......(Could history repeat it self....)

[Kenoke]

I sure hope not.

[H2O Tyrant Sparda]

I sure hope not.

I hope not too.

[PMS MelonZ]

Yep I have a Wii too lolwut

I tried to edit it, but it kept changing it...:( Damn spellcheck

[H2O Karmak1ller]

As messed up as this is, we the people are pretty much powerless. I am not implying that we let this happen, but until people can unite, this will continue.

[Esty H2O]

As messed up as this is, we the people are pretty much powerless. I am not implying that we let this happen, but until people can unite, this will continue.

Unfortunately this will never happen. The one basic flaw here is your asking people to be reasonable, which they are inherently not. Does this mean we will eventually acheive world peice? Unfortunately not, but it's hardly the end of the world. The conflict here is a little more important and difficult than a simple "just let them have it". This concerns oil, and also land, land that is valuable to everyone. The Russian Federation is protecting what is part of thier federation, and the other half want it to conform and join, so that Georgia can join NATO. This isn't going to be a quick and decisive battle, but it's no World War starter either. The only thing we have to face is possible gas prices being higher for the moment.

[H2O Tyrant Sparda]

Unfortunately this will never happen. The one basic flaw here is your asking people to be reasonable, which they are inherently not. Does this mean we will eventually acheive world peice? Unfortunately not, but it's hardly the end of the world. The conflict here is a little more important and difficult than a simple "just let them have it". This concerns oil, and also land, land that is valuable to everyone. The Russian Federation is protecting what is part of thier federation, and the other half want it to conform and join, so that Georgia can join NATO. This isn't going to be a quick and decisive battle, but it's no World War starter either. The only thing we have to face is possible gas prices being higher for the moment.

As if gas prices aren't high enough already as it is. :mvshakefist:

[H2O Karmak1ller]

They are not very high right now. If I am not mistaken, hasn't the price of oil gone down lately?

[H2O Tyrant Sparda]

They are not very high right now. If I am not mistaken, hasn't the price of oil gone down lately?

not very high... Tell that to the thousands of people who say the pumps are starting to hurt alot. and I doubt they will continue to drop for long.

[d3aths ninja]

these are sad times. But they're bound to get better right?

[Esty H2O]

They are not very high right now. If I am not mistaken, hasn't the price of oil gone down lately?

You're right, they have gone down as of late, however please keep in mind that this conflict will only make things worse for oil. But we'll see how that plays out.

And while these are bad times, of course they will get better. Things have to get worse before they can get better. That is always the case, and don't you worry, things will always work themselves out in the end.

[sharpshooter129]

Im taking sides with Esty on this one

[Visor2040]

No complaints about the media hiding the abuses of Israel in Gaza? :(

[Psychotic]

I don't know if they're necessarily hiding the actions of the Israeli soldiers in Gaza. I mean I heard about a story where the Red Cross found four children clinging to their dead mothers, while Israeli soldiers had recently been by where they were and must have seen them. I definitely agree though that world leaders and sometimes the media aren't showing the abuses Israel is involved in. It seems that all they care about is pointing blame at who started this and now how to help the civilians.

[KillSwitchDani]

America is committing genocide right now, i dont think a different president will really change that. :\

I realize that America is going thru some really tough times....and yes I do blame the president...But I don't think that is fair for someone to say "America" is committing genocide. I am definitely not over there......And a different president could change things..Part of being an American is having faith in our country and it's people.

-Yes I realize this is an older post but I felt I needed to say something on this subject.

[Visor2040]

It's as unfair as me saying that ALL Jews are committing genocide. But that is the perception ;).